iamwar 发表于 2017-6-18 01:44
说了半天你拿美漫漂白日漫世界观小的观点就是还是错了，你嚷嚷美漫大事件不够爽，内容看起来乱，就能给日 ...
我有给日漫小格局洗？
我说的很清楚，美漫这种发展几十年的都故事发展非常小家子气，何况那些日漫才画了没几年的
再说一个漫威结束没多久的内战2，一个口号protect the future一个口号 change the future喊起来很高大上
故事演出是怎样？ 两拨人谁也不服谁就打架，结果大结局就不打了，各回各家各找各妈
对社会有什么影响？群众怎么看？人民对于“莫须有”的罪名支持还是不支持？全没说，就是两拔超级英雄在自己圈子里打。结局也典型的美漫式虎头蛇尾。 尤利西斯被带走就没了。还真是应了万磁王那套杀了尤利西斯一了百了的思想。好多读者还想着会出现尤利西斯黑化，伪造预言，或者预言出错，呵呵，都是天真啊
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https://www.zhihu.com/question/38080894
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iamwar 发表于 2017-6-18 01:44
说了半天你拿美漫漂白日漫世界观小的观点就是还是错了，你嚷嚷美漫大事件不够爽，内容看起来乱，就能给日 ...
典型的拿美漫装逼爱好者，真可爱。
iamwar 发表于 2017-6-18 02:19
这是偷换概念。
你说美漫没有当年无限地球危机之类的时代大气，但是即便如此，仍是千百倍于日漫。
美漫当然不用打怪升级咯，美漫打boss要么嘴炮要么开挂，练什么级？
蜘蛛侠，蝙蝠侠，N+N次被虐，结局都是突然暴气一拳就反败为胜了
蜘蛛宇宙里魔伦一家遇神杀神遇佛杀佛，所有平行宇宙的蜘蛛侠都瑟瑟发抖
咱彼得帕克也不练级，直接带领所有蜘蛛往对方老家F2 A过去，然后一人一拳就把魔伦一家全揍扁了
所谓铺垫了十几本漫画数十本支线的蜘蛛侠大事件就是这么解决的，这大概就是美漫的格局了
本帖最后由 Dya 于 2017-6-18 03:01 编辑
狂徒lucifer 发表于 2017-6-18 02:44
美漫当然不用打怪升级咯，美漫打boss要么嘴炮要么开挂，练什么级？
蜘蛛侠，蝙蝠侠，N+N次 ...
魔伦他爹秒杀宇宙队长蜘蛛侠
然后被猩红凯恩一插捅死了
稍微有点见识的超英美漫谜已经习惯了所有人物战斗力都是从0到正无穷的浮动值了。
本帖最后由 Dya 于 2017-6-18 03:15 编辑
iamwar 发表于 2017-6-18 01:44
说了半天你拿美漫漂白日漫世界观小的观点就是还是错了，你嚷嚷美漫大事件不够爽，内容看起来乱，就能给日 ...
其实对只看超英。而且只看汉化了的超英漫画的伪美漫吹来说，最近出了部漫区和外野的大家都最喜欢了的大杀器，在这些伪美漫吹和格局党们的逻辑下，其威力大到可以秒杀漫威+DC，世界上唯有AAO或者无限恐怖系列以及孙渣才可以碾压的神作——那就是FGO啊。
你看，这部作品包括了基督山伯爵、亚瑟王之死、三国演义和福尔摩斯这些伟大的作品，好像还有匈奴外星人等等生物介入，是不是地理格局，世界观格局和文化格局都比美漫格局大了一万倍啊？你知道什么叫联动吗？你没有把登场人物的传记和原作都看完怎么能算理解过这部作品呢？光是一个吕布，他的格局多大你造吗？你最好从三国志到三国演义到火凤燎原再到恋姬无双都看一遍噢，这些都是多元平行宇宙的说，超屌的啦。
讲真吧，就算你跑正义联盟贴吧去这么吹美漫踩日漫，我觉得你大概也是要被禁言的。
太丢人了。
iamwar 发表于 2017-6-18 02:19
这是偷换概念。
你说美漫没有当年无限地球危机之类的时代大气，但是即便如此，仍是千百倍于日漫。
你还是别丢美漫迷的脸了……
海鸟封 发表于 2017-6-18 02:11
https://www.zhihu.com/question/38080894
关于这个问题的探讨，知乎有过好答案。
第二个明显眼里只有科幻小说，细腻的人物塑造在他眼里一文不值。
海鸟封 发表于 2017-6-18 02:11
https://www.zhihu.com/question/38080894
关于这个问题的探讨，知乎有过好答案。
第二篇文章最大的问题是
“如果全剧99%的时间都和《太空漫游》一样，最后跑出来个手一挥把前面所有的一切都抹去，那最后观众又只会骂吃屎了。如果对象是超越认知的存在，那所谓的格局问题本身就不存在。反倒是宏大的格局在一瞬间消散，这种落差会给观众更大的不适感。”
另外在超能力作品里谈格局就和在虚拟的故事里寻找真实感一样搞笑，其实我建议不如去看爽文，反正目的都是爽一爽，爽文给别人看还不会吵起来
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哈里.谢顿 发表于 2017-6-17 23:17
兄台，看你认真打这么多字的份上（还有你注册不久），送您几个帖子，看看之前大家类似讨论
岛国的局限性 ...
以前倒是挺喜欢去云中漫步看人讨论的……云中没了的时候还难过了好一阵子……虽然我没注册。
话说我看了下……我好几个帖子都被你收录进去了啊……？
yym 发表于 2017-6-18 01:42
就“历史洪流”门槛高是吧，这里有几个小格局作品，不知道你看不看得下去。。。
http://www.bilibili.com ...
很多时候讨论不涉及细节，则讨论无意义。“格局”这个被炒热的词，以及很多泛用的“批评”，已经变成了我觉得xxx不好，我不喜欢，但是具体什么又说不上来，所以说它“格局”不大，“节奏”不好……
第一季的沙慈作用是体现战争给小人物带来悲剧，而第一季结尾的露易丝成为了A-Laws的金主还加入了军队则是出于其他的考量了。在这个镜头出现之前，沙慈的作用都是这个，他出现在刹那隔壁，也仅仅是为了让刹那“看到”他的武力改变世界会波及这些无辜的小人物
但综合两季说，沙慈其实是对位于刹那的另一个主角（只不过就像玛丽娜相对于刹那的作用没能被完美体现一样，沙慈的作用也没能得到完美体现）。刹那是作为非普通人，主动选择了将这种非日常的生活继续下去，沙慈则是作为普通人被卷入了战争，从毫无选择的余地到最终选择战斗，与刹那是相对的存在，他在第一季遭受的小人物的悲剧就成了第二季他成为主角之一的“前传”。既然作为一个主角，那么会碰到这种连环相碰的偶然就没什么奇怪的了——这样的主角不是司空见惯吗？
另外制作过程中制作思路也好角度也好外界因素也好都是会改变的，风传锁定弟和阿牛原本是要在二期进行间谍大战的，结果因为上面的大人要求，变成狗血恋爱故事了，锁定弟的卡塔隆身份几乎就要这么没用了
sjstephen 发表于 2017-6-18 03:12
另外在超能力作品里谈格局就和在虚拟的故事里寻找真实感一样搞笑，其实我建议不如去看爽文，反正目的都是爽 ...
直接去看小【哔】油acgn得了。
那种论坛是我见过最河蟹的。读者不爽请憋着。敢喷大大？立马封号滚艹
yy19 发表于 2017-6-18 10:10
直接去看小【哔】油acgn得了。
那种论坛是我见过最河蟹的。读者不爽请憋着。敢喷大大？立马封号滚艹
“新上任的总统怎么样你们都知道，卖官鬻爵支持恐怖分子。副总统教唆他的人进行恐怖袭击，割裂美国社会。可是现在美国政府从根基就烂透了，已经堕落成为了只顾敛取权利与不义之财，反美反人民的流氓团体。如果政府不能从内部进行自我清理，改过自新，那么总有一天，美利坚人民对其不满达到极点，我们复仇者联盟也许会听从人民的强烈期盼，消灭掉这个流氓组织，让美利坚的人民发出他们的呐喊！！！”
“罗杰斯，你怎能！！！”＆“总统阁下，你的任期结束了”
《美国队长3：内战》
暑期强档各大影院热力放映中
这片子最后的结局是苏联入侵，美国投降，总统和超级英雄们都被吊路灯，然后票房暴死
不如楼主列举 一些格局大的片子出来先呗
格局虽小，但可以以小见大
感觉还是看故事折射的主题，反映的问题，如果能讲好了的话，其实真不用夸张到毁天灭地才叫格局大吧。。
我从来没见过一个所谓的“主角”的戏份，居然可以删除掉也不会改变故事的。
鬼岛誉 发表于 2017-6-18 00:12
因为真正的格局大的大多是史诗级作品，个人命运像沙子一样被洪流卷到哪儿是哪儿，既不萌也不燃，代入感差 ...
还有一点你似乎完全说反了，你哪里看出来阿宅不爱看大格局的？
这种抱怨某片格局小的帖子在s1已经是月经了吧。。。
死神狙击手 发表于 2017-6-17 19:30
另外，沙慈的角度绝称不上什么“一般人”。他的身份类似于复旦投毒案里黄洋的父亲，白晓燕案里的白冰冰， ...
你看过雷雨不?
能代 发表于 2017-6-18 15:35
你看过雷雨不?
有话快说。
Graduation 发表于 2017-6-17 17:07
大格局应该强调的是潮流走向，而不是去强调个别人物怎么做会对潮流走向什么影响。前一段的幼女战记我觉得格 ...
想起了自新世界
很多事，自己下笔去写写就知道可不可行，更何况商业动画/电影还要和资金打交道
本季的ID0就在预算有限的情况下，对故事进行相应裁减
http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/large/678ef543gy1fgpghpk527j20i508tq3s.jpg
http://www.anitama.cn/article/9e2e90bb9c3ca84d
鬼岛誉 发表于 2017-6-18 17:17
因为日式动漫没有格局很大的作品，或者说动漫这种艺术形式信息量少成本高昂，宏观表达本身就是劣势，格局 ...
日本冻鳗是不是有大格局作品我不想跟你讨论，这里只说一点
那就是阿宅（准确说是s1阿宅，以及网文爱好者。。。）确实有某种倾向，表现出来就是
1.喜欢纠结格局问题
2.对“大格局”有明显偏好
这是事实，至于他们是真想看还是假想看我哪知道
感觉主要是题材选择和设定决定的吧？
评书只有中国有，全球都没有，而且中国也快没了。科幻黄金年代也已经过去，回到小众圈了。
并不是举着“媚宅”“婆罗门”之类的听着很扎眼的词，就真的能非常“大格局”的指点全球百年形成的文化生态了。
说“我不喜欢某类东西”谁都可以说，怎么主观都么关系，但要说“某个业界圈按全球标准有某种缺陷”就真的要你有大量的观剧量和分析对比工作。
想要在这么大的尺度上下定论，你的研究本身必须也得达到这个“大格局”才行。
断翼 发表于 2017-6-18 16:56
很多事，自己下笔去写写就知道可不可行，更何况商业动画/电影还要和资金打交道
本季的ID0就在预算有限的情 ...
很大的因素还是预算问题，影响太大了，得看菜下饭
月夜凝雪 发表于 2017-6-18 18:07
实际上他们想要的只是大地图，不过用错词
—— 来自 Sony F8132, Android 7.0上的 S1Next-鹅版 ...
那倒没有，“以小见大”已经是他们的常用词汇了，不至于停留在地图上
比较主要的问题是这些人对“大”的偏好和对“小”的歧视，不管有意识无意识
他们就希望一部作品能展现所谓历史洪流、文明兴衰、人类命运、社会、时代。。。
总之，场景大的必须“大”，讲小了就是垃圾，场景小的可以“小”，但只有反映了“大”才能升华
不是说他们对某些作品的分析有错，只是这种味道我闻不惯
