苹果最后还是送壳了。。。

chakane048

感谢你们，果黑！

-_, 最后还是赚到了

Castiel

死不认错, 然后傲骄
谁...谁说不给你们壳子了...

tonyunreal

死不认错, 然后傲骄
谁...谁说不给你们壳子了...
Castiel 发表于 2010-7-17 01:32

+1
教主真恶心

Castiel

10:37AM \"So the heart of the problem is, smartphones have issues, and we made it easy to exploit the issue by showing people where to hold the phone to cover the antenna. But the data supports the fact that the iPhone 4 is the best smartphone in the world, and there is no Antennagate... there is a challenge for the entire smartphone industry to improve its antenna technology so there are no weak spots. So today we\'re going to try and take care of our customers.\"

顺便还把全世界做天线的都抽一遍, 等看集体辞职

chakane048

最后那个slide偶帮忙补充一下

Apple: We love our users(\' money and retardations)

-_, 最后只说了三点：
一、大家都有问题，不要只看iPhone4
二、花了一亿盖的RF消音室测试，几十个博士，你们的测试都不行
三、3GS没出现问题只是因为都用了套子而已，数据上来说4比3GS好多了

结果是什么呢？ 等偶月底入了4代再看吧

Castiel

二、花了一亿盖的RF消音室测试，几十个博士，你们的测试都不行
chakane048 发表于 2010-7-17 01:41

这自大得...啧啧啧, 3GPP, CTIA和COST都看不见apple的人出现或者参与讨论, 也好意思说标准, 测试和研究...

iganesh

台湾瘾科技给力回复
ghighi @ Jul 16th 2010 1:28PM
成龍：“我只是犯了全天下男人也會犯的錯。”
ghighi @ Jul 16th 2010 1:30PM
SJ:\" iPhone4只是犯了全天下電話也會犯的錯。”
Anthony @ Jul 16th 2010 1:36PM
是指不用套的後果嗎？

Castiel

本帖最后由 Castiel 于 2010-7-17 01:51 编辑

10:44AM Q: Were you told about the design before the phone was released?
Steve: Are you talking about the Bloomberg article? That\'s a crock, and we\'ve challenged them to show proof that that. If anyone had said this thing has problems, we would have dispatched people to deal with that issue.

10:51AM Apparently we missed that Jobs called that Bloomberg report mentioned earlier \"total bullshit.\" Pretty strong...

几十个博士果然都去吃X了么...

chakane048

这自大得...啧啧啧, 3GPP, CTIA和COST都看不见apple的人出现或者参与讨论, 也好意思说标准, 测试和研究...
Castiel 发表于 2010-7-16 10:44

-_, 人家只是针对下媒体那啥而已，毕竟专业的都没说iPhone4有问题。。。
就算你质疑人家怎么过FCC的时候毕竟人家还是过了啥的嘛-_,
看完以后重点也就一个免费送bumper/case而已。。

其他都可以当他放屁，不过还是死不承认天线有问题。。。反正有三周三百万的销量人家什么都不怕。。。

反正送bumper已经OK了，现在问题是偶不喜欢用怎么办呢？官方：你选择不用iPhone4就好了，反正用的人没问题啥的-_,

Castiel

实际的问题是参与这些组织是要投入人力物力的, 这才是要点, 花钱买chamber有个毛用, 照样被nokia的天线专利婊

Castiel

11:03AM Q: Would you have done anything differently knowing what you know now?
Steve: Well, of course the Consumer Reports stuff was bad, and of course we would have liked to get on this sooner. We just got this data. We just learned what was going on. We\'re an engineering company. We think like engineers. We love it, we think it\'s the right way to solve real problems. I don\'t think that\'s going to change, and the way we love our customers isn\'t going to change. Maybe it\'s human nature -- when you\'re doing well, people want to tear you down. I see it happening with Google, people trying to tear them down. And I don\'t understand it... what would you prefer? That we were a korean company, that we were here in America leading the world with these products... maybe it\'s just that people want to get eyeballs on their sites. We\'ve been around for 34 years... haven\'t we earned the credibility and the trust of the press? I think we have that from our users. I didn\'t see it exhibited by some of the press as this was blown so far out of proportion. I\'m not saying we didn\'t make a mistake -- we didn\'t know that it would have these issues, we didn\'t know we were putting a bull\'s eye on the phone... but this has been so overblown. But to see how we could do better is going to take some time.

\'错的不是我! 是世界!\'

yarlando

越来越傻逼了

Castiel

后面越来越雷...

11:04AM Q: Is there a hardware redesign in this generation that could fix this problem?
A: You can go on the web and look at pictures of Nokia phones that ship with stickers on the back that say \"don\'t touch here\" -- you can go on YouTube and see these. We should you three phones today, all good phones. So right now the state of the art of the entire industry is that no one has solved this problem. Would I like Apple to be first? Yes. Can we make it better right now? Maybe, we\'ll see.

乔老爷求链接

11:06AM Steve: But not everyone is seeing this -- a small number encounter it. For those customers we\'ll get them a case, and if that doesn\'t work, we\'ll get them a full refund. And we\'ll continue to work on antennas that don\'t have this problem. But I think we\'re where the rest of industry is right now.

\'你们还不满足啊?\'

iganesh

Q&A部分越来越夸张了……

chakane048

本帖最后由 chakane048 于 2010-7-16 11:19 编辑

-_, 不过真的youtube下nokia antenna problem还真的有视频啥的（233
例如这个：http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amPG52DVQuk 比iPhone4还神奇，这就是你Nokia专利的强大啊。。。
反过来不过是你的电话卖不好，你的问题没人关心而已罢了。iPhone4有问题那个点击率可是++

发布会下面的已经无限扯了，没什么价值去看
等接着gizmodo怎么黑就好了

olipen

送到9月底，这么说九月底之后的机器会有硬件改变？

Castiel

-_, 不过真的youtube下nokia antenna problem还真的有视频啥的（233
例如这个：http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amPG52DVQuk 比iPhone4还神奇，这就是你Nokia专利的强大啊。。。
反过来不过是你的电话卖不好，你的问 ...
chakane048 发表于 2010-7-17 02:17

很正常, 我正在实验室里测某nokia设备, 性能匪夷所思得差

Rude

送到9月底，这么说九月底之后的机器会有硬件改变？
olipen 发表于 2010-7-17 02:31

9月以后的机器有个贴纸写着“don\'t touch here\"在接缝处

话所送的套子什么样？有图吗？国内的奸商不会分开卖吧

tuya000000

3个星期前定了4
昨天去一问之前的等待人数根本就没啥变化
据说是压着生产线不发货使劲改BUG呢

鹿斗典善

这耳光真响亮

jackcjl

求全文欢乐- -

手撕包菜

台湾瘾科技给力回复
ghighi @ Jul 16th 2010 1:28PM
成龍：“我只是犯了全天下男人也會犯的錯。”
ghighi @ Jul 16th 2010 1:30PM
SJ:\" iPhone4只是犯了全天下電話也會犯的錯。”
Anthony @ Jul 16th 2010 1:36PM
是 ...
iganesh 发表于 2010-7-17 01:46

恩，很给力

bubuyu

本帖最后由 bubuyu 于 2010-7-17 10:17 编辑

3个星期前定了4
昨天去一问之前的等待人数根本就没啥变化
据说是压着生产线不发货使劲改BUG呢
tuya000000 发表于 2010-7-17 07:20

这种设计本身产生的问题再改进也不会有什么本质改变了吧。要彻底改变只能等下一代甚至再往下一代了。

chakane048

我记得FCC只是测试电磁兼容性和安全性，至于这种天线bug他们是不会去管的吧
HyperIris 发表于 2010-7-16 19:13

-_, 嗯，不然也不会那么多手机都有那问题了

不过后面的Q&A没有人说Droid X的双天线设计，据称不会出现这个问题。。。 苹果不知道应该怎么回答了。。
另外就是人家一个手指就能干掉你整台机器信号，其他机器就不会，你要只比grip也是有问题。。
不过看进一步发展了，后面那些Q&A记者水平真低，都是不敢得罪苹果出名的吧。。。。

Stank

本帖最后由 Stank 于 2010-7-17 11:44 编辑

什么都想自己做。
在通信领域苹果耕耘的时间还是稍微少了点。
慢慢会好吧。

JOBS的发言好下限...

copo

看过果青那种令人作呕的优越感，我终于明白为什么书记要加入果黑阵营了。
cyberalogo 发表于 2010-7-17 10:50

人家教主就是這麼優越的，果青只是沾光學習性優越....

鸳鸳相抱

其实我想问到底赚到了什么.......................？

是您一向就喜欢带套用手机么.....................

reina07

苹果大发慈悲开始送手机套啦
你们这些刁民还不快拜谢

买ip4就送29美元套子，超值

chakane048

芝加哥太阳时报的科技记者安迪·伊那特构（Andy Ihnatko）说：「史蒂夫·乔布斯没有向用户和股东屈膝下跪、撕碎外衣、双手合十、祈求原谅。」这让很多人不爽。

后面的偶就不说了

耗子高达

Ghost in the Shell
Apple Seed

LIN+

bumper太丑了，要是能买什么壳都有refund就好了。

iganesh

我记得有人问爱丰4的黑文……这一整页就是了
http://www.apple.com/antenna/