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[PC] toby fox新作deltarune 剧透请反白

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发表于 2018-11-1 01:43 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
https://www.deltarune.com/
demo/序章性质的undertale世界新作

大概是续作?前传?AU?
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发表于 2018-11-1 01:58 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
还没玩明白
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发表于 2018-11-1 02:18 | 显示全部楼层
demo穿了,是第一章,妙啊
不过疑似隐藏BOSS没打,城堡电梯里有个???,接了后找第一区域的猫老板会给线索,时间太晚了就没去找
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发表于 2018-11-1 03:22 | 显示全部楼层
小怪过图会重新刷出来这点很不爽,重复的战斗过程太繁琐了,得按套路一步步打

明天试试屠杀线
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发表于 2018-11-1 03:26 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 luoyianwu 于 2018-11-1 04:54 编辑

以下剧透

真jb长,不过很爽
有其他制作人的支持后,UI变得更stylish了,gameplay也好很多
这次对东方和mother 2的借鉴变得更加露骨了。能擦弹喷了。不知道前几天和Zun见面是不是请他试玩了也可能是谢罪
时间轴是在undertale不杀结局后,但是该互相认识的人互相不认识,更像平行世界。有报告称DLTARUNE执行后UNDERTALE的genocide后不杀结局会有变化,chara会消失
杀和不杀的确会导致最终战结局不同

不知道以后是不是按章节更新,还是整个做完一起上
AsrielRalsei可爱
暗黑萍琪派
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-11-1 09:30 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
fufusako 发表于 2018-11-1 03:22
小怪过图会重新刷出来这点很不爽,重复的战斗过程太繁琐了,得按套路一步步打

明天试试屠杀线 ...

强制和平,一个人也杀不了

—— 来自 OnePlus ONEPLUS A5000, Android 8.1.0上的 S1Next-鹅版 v2.0.4-play
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-11-1 11:44 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
今天好像会继续更新?
线索表明本作基本上是和原作同时构思的

—— 来自 OnePlus ONEPLUS A5000, Android 8.1.0上的 S1Next-鹅版 v2.0.4-play
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发表于 2018-11-1 13:01 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 leyenda 于 2018-11-1 13:03 编辑

刚进电梯时候有个????的楼层可以传送,直通一个牢房,对话后问我要不要play a game,想先存档选了no结果就不能再选了,有人选了yes吗会发生什么

还有个四格图案解密,提示是lancer房间?结果打完BOSS也回不去了,有人解开了吗


狗在工作?狗在摸鱼
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发表于 2018-11-1 13:02 | 显示全部楼层
打完花了三个半小时……有趣的点不少

这作的关键词似乎从“filled you with determination”变成了 “shine with you”,不知道toby又要搞什么幺蛾子
画面在各种意义上都进步了
战斗从暗雷变成了明雷,好
把装备给各个人物的时候他们还会说句话。全收集可能有点累,等着看wiki了
从机制的角度上来说,因为多了一个不听话乱打的,这作的完全P线可能有点麻烦……?(好吧,她后面听你话了)
前作梗埋得不少(像是和商店老板聊天的时候他说的don't have anything better to do, 后面回地上见羊爸时的对话
我一路宽恕,和susie,lancer选择打不打的时候系统似乎没有给出选择直接选了不想打?
这次开始更肆无忌惮的玩各种梗了,期待后续



虽然说可能接的是TP线,但一开头提到了aslrei去上大学好久没回来了,所以可能不完全接TP线?
新人物似乎都能从前作找到对应原型?[del]小羊alter [/del]黑羊ralsei好萌好暖(打完后发现这不还是白羊吗,不会就是长大的小羊吧)



我一开始以为lighener指的是人,但是从后面看似乎是指地上生物(人和怪物),这样说lightners离开指的就
是六魂小羊打开封印?ralsei讲的传说里也提到angel,似乎也是指前作的小羊?

游戏最一开始提到了选creators的名字,然后和商店老板聊天时提到lightner和darkner都是“our creators”,

不知道是不是也是个坑




回到现实(?)小镇之后居然有这么大的信息量?
往下走左里面的墓园是前作实验室里的Amalgamates?gerson(瀑布商店)似乎也去世了?
基本上能在各处看到前作人物出场,大量小怪都有提到
小镇左边的餐厅里有提到kris之前会和小羊每周来吃热巧克力,再想想主角的衣服颜色
sans说没见过你? undyne不认识alphys?
小镇最下面是一个门,是通往地下的那个?
现实小镇里的镇长是女的,是谁呢?
羊爸的花店后面有七朵花,分别对应前作的六个灵魂……和小花
alphys小巷背后的墙上好像是Amalgamates里的memory head和reaper bird攻击手段里的Everyman
羊妈把所有羊爸送她的花全扔进垃圾桶了……感觉关系比前作里更恶化了?



各种意义上挺满意的,尤其是toby能把UT后续这个有无数个AU想过的题目做出了新颖感
g线下不去手(还有就是怕toby又搞jumpscary……),过段时间云一个



妈的最后来这一下……
TOBY出来挨打,居然接的是这个结局


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发表于 2018-11-1 13:02 | 显示全部楼层
leyenda 发表于 2018-11-1 13:01
刚进电梯时候有个????的楼层可以传送,直通一个牢房,对话后问我要不要play a game,想先存档选了no结 ...

让你收集钥匙放他出来,是个隐藏boss
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发表于 2018-11-1 13:04 | 显示全部楼层
这作感觉不是直接接的UT,而是平行世界
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发表于 2018-11-1 15:04 | 显示全部楼层
老角色就是明星系统吧,隐藏boss打完了就给个比较强的防具
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发表于 2018-11-1 20:57 | 显示全部楼层
羊王子好萌
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发表于 2018-11-1 21:17 | 显示全部楼层
草最后怎么回事?灵魂还能扔出来的?没了灵魂还能走?还是这个身体有两套灵魂,被扔出来的是玩家?
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发表于 2018-11-1 21:48 | 显示全部楼层
4chan主流的意见是:
Kris=Chara
Chara在黑暗世界没有身体的控制权,结局是Chara将玩家的控制权剥夺
有几个小细节:第一次存档时是已经有Kris的存档的,覆盖之后变成了玩家的名字;结局的时候玩家还可以控制笼子里的红魂移动
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发表于 2018-11-1 22:29 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 helix 于 2018-11-1 23:07 编辑

链接:https://pan.baidu.com/s/1lSAeIs6KRp8spJSjm3aaug
密码:02wn
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自购,请勿转载
购买地址:https://tobyfox.bandcamp.com/album/deltarune-chapter-1-ost

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发表于 2018-11-1 23:02 | 显示全部楼层
Toby说他12年就开始构思Lancer
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发表于 2018-11-2 12:08 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
作者解说出了,平行世界,招游戏制作组不然一两个人做不完,不分章节放出,没有多结局,不搞众筹和预购,慢慢等吧(绝望
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-11-2 15:50 | 显示全部楼层
zazola 发表于 2018-11-2 12:08
作者解说出了,平行世界,招游戏制作组不然一两个人做不完,不分章节放出,没有多结局,不搞众筹和预购,慢 ...

还真的是your choice dont matter啊
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发表于 2018-11-2 16:23 | 显示全部楼层
贴下toby回应,总结下就是跟UT一点关系都没有别瞎想了,游戏只做了这么点,现在啥都缺,鬼知道什么时候能发售,摸了
原文地址:http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqn3p9
Here are my thoughts on Ch 1 of Deltarune. This should answer some questions.
It's October 4th. The DEMO (first chapter) of my game is supposed to come out on Halloween.

Actually it was done a little while ago but I'm waiting for the translation to be finished.

I feel like I should address what I think people will think before the game comes out.

Of course, if I'm all wrong about this, then I just wasted my time, but...



QUESTIONS I PREDICT PEOPLE HAVE

1. "Is this a sequel? What's going on?? I'm scared..."

Please don't worry too much about that.
Actually, I'm worried if people worry too much about "what it is," they might not be able to properly enjoy it... (laugh)

I will say that basically, what you're seeing here is not the world of UNDERTALE.
UNDERTALE's world and ending are the same as however you left them.
If everyone was happy in your ending, the people in the UNDERTALE world will still be happy.
So, please don't worry about those characters, and that world. It will remain untouched.

To rephrase that, DELTARUNE's world is a different one.
With different characters, that have lived different lives.
A whole new story will happen...

I don't know what you call this kind of game.

It's just a game you can play after you complete UNDERTALE, if you want to.

That's all.


2. "I have questions I want to ask about the story..."

There's a lot of questions I'd like to answer, too.

That's why I have to make the game.

Please wait until then.


3. "When will the next chapter come out?"

This is a difficult question.

When I made the demo of UNDERTALE, I made it to prove to myself that it was possible to make a whole game alone (with some help with the art).

Because I was able to make it in a few months, I felt that I had proved that it was possible.

However, making the demo of DELTARUNE...

took a few years.

So, given the length of the rest of the game, and how long I'd be willing to spend on a project (7 years maximum) I think the answer is that it's actually impossible to make this game.

Lots of things make this game harder to make than the last time.

- The graphics are much more complicated and don't play to my strengths (black and white battle graphics were easy...)
- The battle system is much more complicated due to multiple characters (I'll write about this later)
- The overworld and other sections are more complicated due to multiple characters
- Having multiple main characters is much harder to write especially introducing everyone properly in chapter 1
- The entire town had to be created correctly on the first try to set up properly for the rest of the game

And further things outside of those:
- Trouble starting tasks/concentrating and general difficulty paying attention
- Travelling / other responsibilities like translation/ports
- Self-doubt / burnout regarding the creation of the game

Essentially it's not possible to make this game as one person (and Temmie).

However, it MIGHT be possible to create the game if I'm able to make a team.

So I'm going to try making a team. Because I really want to make this. But I may not be able to succeed because I have no experience successfully directing a team and I have no idea who I'm going to work with.

Since I haven't started assembling the team yet I have absolutely no estimation of its completion. It could take up to 999 years depending on the efficiency level.

By the way, I currently plan to release all of the chapters at once after we complete them. I'm not sure how long that will take.

You'll buy all of the chapters at once as one purchase. That'll be the only option. I'm not doing pre-orders because I don't like those. It just seems like the best way not to burn anybody.

Price is unknown. It depends on how long the game is, and how much it costs to make...

I don't know anything about what consoles, etc. it'll come out for because by the time it comes out we might be on Playstation 14 or something.

So... in short, I have no idea.


4. "Is this the game's final design? Will you change anything?"

It's possible I could change things. This is basically a demo. I might even change this first chapter before release depending on how development goes.

This is really an excuse to talk about the parts I think had issues.

THE BATTLE SYSTEM:

I think the battle system could be explained better.

I had a super duper long explanation of things here but really it boils down to:
1. UT's system is incompatible with multiple party members but I wanted to do it anyway because it's cool
2. I'd like to make it so for pacifist players, characters won't have to "defend" so much

Oh. The people who tested the game thought that the TP system and animations were cool so it's not all bad.
By the way, did you notice that getting close to bullets makes enemy attacks end faster? It doesn't work for every attack, but...


EVERYTHING ELSE:

I thought everything else was OK. Actually some parts were kind of lazy, like finding the key pieces, but oh well.

The UI had some things that could be changed too.

When making a game, there's so much to do you have to draw the line somewhere. That's why I need other people to help me (laugh)

Oh, and I have no plans to add more content to the first chapter.



5. "Will there be multiple endings?"

No. No matter what you do the ending will be the same.

(Honestly most games are like that, but for some reason it feels really oppressive to say here...)

I think that's part of the reason why the ACT / FIGHT system feels so vestigial in this one.

Oh... I'm just talking about the battle system again...



6. "I found some kind of bug, will you fix it?"

Hopefully an e-mail for that exists on the website by now.

Or, it would be better if you could tweet it with #deltarunebug .

That would really help us and make our lives easier because tweets are easier to ignore than e-mails


7. "Can I be on the team?"

I'll ask you first!!! (Total silence)


8. "What's the progress on the rest of the game so far?"

0%!!! Nothing!!! I've done nothing!!!

I mean, I've done some songs and written the whole story, but...

Since no programming or final art has been done, it's best to just think of it at 0%.


9. "Will you do a Kickstarter?"

I still haven't finished that damn Alarm Clock, are you kidding me?

There's no way I'm doing a Kickstarter this time.



10. "The game doesn't work" / "I don't like the game" / "Will there be a version for (platform)?"

Because it's a free download I'm surrounded by a forcefield that destroys all complaints and platform requests.

There might be more platforms for the DEMO but I don't want to make any promises.

(At the very least it'd be nice to do something for the people who bought the game on console.)

By the way at the time of writing I haven't even rendered a Mac version whatsoever at all.

I hope I can release it... (laugh)



11. "Can I buy the soundtrack for Chapter 1?"

Yes! You can buy it at [ http://tobyfox.bandcamp.com ] And other forms of distribution will be in the works too.

I'm writing this in the past so I don't know what I just said.



12. "Any closing remarks?" (No one asks this, but...)

Thanks for playing my game. I hope you liked it.

For the past 3 years I've been waking up in the middle of the night unable to go back to sleep because I've been thinking about the scenes that happen in the game.

Even though so many details are still hazy,

I really want to show you the things I've been thinking about.

That's really my only reason for making this game.

If I don't show you what I'm thinking, I'll lose my mind.

(It was actually a totally selfish motivation...)


By the way, I was really worried at first about making this.

The expectations for my next work would be really high, so high that I knew that no matter what I did, I felt like people would be underwhelmed.

If you played "UNDERTALE," I don't think I can make anything that makes you feel "that way" again.

However, it's possible I can make something else.

It's just something simple but maybe you'll like it.

See you in ?? years... OK?

Don't forget.
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发表于 2018-11-2 16:59 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 helix 于 2018-11-2 17:02 编辑

原来闹钟app这事还没忘啊
感觉这么一说反倒有希望比较快做出来了

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发表于 2018-11-2 17:23 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 大气水平运动 于 2018-11-2 19:13 编辑

贴点在4ch、reddit、推上看到和我自己打出来的小细节
1.起名的时候如果用了gaster会像UT一样闪回游戏开始。
2.在darkworld打电话冒出来的杂音是entry17。小镇最南边被锁
的大门那里的bgm6.6倍速也是entry17。
3.3个存档位下调查asriel的抽屉内容物不一样,第一个是有洞的运动衣,第二个存档是有尴尬发型的ID卡,第三个是过气披萨券。而且内容物是固定跟随存档位不是随机的。
4.被羊妈叫醒之后可以睡回笼觉,然后直接跳到dark world的剧情……但是后面跟susie的对话不变,估计就是个方便二周目玩家的功能。
5.游戏lang文件夹里的json文件的6088行有段在游戏里没出现过的文字,防剧透就不贴图了,有点细思恐极。
6.两人回到小镇后的那个废弃教室地上的杂物配置跟dark world基本是一致的。
7.楼上也有人提到了,最后心被掏出来之后玩家还可以操控心在笼子里移动。

昨天打到太晚,镇子上没仔细探索就走了,不知道还有没有啥隐藏细节。
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大气水平运动 发表于 2018-11-2 17:23
贴点在4ch、reddit、推上看到和我自己打出来的小细节
1.起名的时候如果用了gaster会像UT一样闪回游戏开始。 ...

第一次取名时输gaster会直接重开
第二次取名时输gaster会直接关闭


—— 来自 HUAWEI NXT-TL00, Android 8.0.0上的 S1Next-鹅版 v2.0.4
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发表于 2018-11-2 18:20 | 显示全部楼层
      说点自己的游戏感想……战斗方面手感好了很多啊,可以同时黄名多个敌人,队友还能帮着回血和spare,不用多坚持一回合,而且从暗雷变明雷,UT的战斗实在是有点蛋疼。顺便吐槽下这作更东方了啊,那个隐藏Boss的某个行动模式真的不是gzz里刈安色的迷梦吗?
       剧情方面挖的坑好多啊,从toby的长推特我觉得DR跟UT的关系有点类似于fate prototype和fsn,DR是UT的原型,但是两者只是大框架和某些人物要素一致,内核是不一样的,toby也说是something else。这次的诡计核心恐怕跟游戏开头的捏人关系密切,meta要素和游戏长度多半要超过UT。游戏程序名称叫survey_program,安装协议也只有“you accept everything that will happen from now on”一句话,我猜是玩家捏了个容器去调查那个世界,而玩家实际操控的是那颗红心,本来是要搭载到自己捏的容器上的,不知道出了什么差错结果夺舍了kris?捏人有3个问题比较有意思,你如何看待你的角色(它听不到)?你的回答是诚实的吗?你知晓接下来会发生的痛苦吗?这是要干啥
      游戏内也有好多谜,kris床边基本没啥东西,看来这人性格比chara还扭曲,chara那么黑的人起码还摆了点东西……唯一的笼子旁边有摊红色印记,怕不是kris以前杀过的红心留下来的……kris应该也有存档能力,玩家第一个存档是直接覆盖在名叫kris的存档上的,有没有可能kris是每天晚上存了档之后黑化,再读档,大家就当无事发生过?不过这样有点扯了啊用和平方法打完小丑之后小丑会说from now on a nightmare will awaken in your hearts,也有可能是去了dark world之后内心受了影响?据老板说小丑以前也是正常的,后来碰到了某个人才变得疯狂。
       还有刚进入dark world到跟susie会合一路上都会有诡异的黑影跟着,sans是你吗(删除)。dark world一路上过来倒是意外的轻松啊,最后都感觉有点不真实。从最终boss战完到结束都没有存档点,多半是故意的。我觉得小镇上反倒是比较黑,3个实验怪物的坟墓,被锁起来的门,还有被鱼姐封起来的路都有点西斯空寂。

ED真好听,等一个不知道猴年马月能出的完整版。ED的名字叫don't forget,UT里骷髅兄弟家隐藏房间也写着don't forget,不知道是故意的还是巧合。
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发表于 2018-11-2 18:24 | 显示全部楼层
哦DR的鱼姐眼睛是好的,UT里鱼姐是因为什么带眼罩的来着?
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发表于 2018-11-2 18:32 | 显示全部楼层
作者QA说这里的世界和UT没什么关系。
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发表于 2018-11-2 20:04 | 显示全部楼层
解包出来的游戏里打不开的manual,不知道是不是真的

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 楼主| 发表于 2018-11-2 21:00 | 显示全部楼层
大气水平运动 发表于 2018-11-2 18:24
哦DR的鱼姐眼睛是好的,UT里鱼姐是因为什么带眼罩的来着?

UT的乌龟商店店主死了
可能是帮鱼挡刀了?
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发表于 2018-11-3 00:20 | 显示全部楼层
隐藏BOSS爽死车万EASY水平感到一阵胃痛,(而且没注意商品里dark burger回的多(70),屯了回50的自讨苦吃  少量回复的某diamond给主角是回80
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发表于 2018-11-3 11:18 | 显示全部楼层

偶然发现
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发表于 2018-11-3 12:10 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2018-11-3 12:30 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
网站到游戏都一直在提hand 这作和garster逃不开关系的吧
结局搞事,ed开口就听出是Laura
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发表于 2018-11-6 09:46 | 显示全部楼层
不多说了,toby是神
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发表于 2018-11-10 17:13 | 显示全部楼层
Field of Hopes and Dreams 听得我沉醉
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发表于 2018-11-11 09:06 | 显示全部楼层
看到一个做同人音乐的说 The Legend 和 THE WORLD REVOLVING 用的是同一母题
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发表于 2018-11-11 20:04 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
jacket 发表于 2018-11-11 09:06
看到一个做同人音乐的说 The Legend 和 THE WORLD REVOLVING 用的是同一母题

嗯,我是最喜欢这首了
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发表于 2018-11-19 01:19 | 显示全部楼层
挖一下,贴吧汉化出了,之前玩的时候能看懂个大概,现在能更好地理解了
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