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对,就是Forgotten ones。
有关禁忌魔神(绝大多数法师都认为它们是骗人的)的记载最早要追溯到[url=]暗黑[/url](第四纪)二年。不过总有某个人达成了第一次交易,与另一个世界取得了联系。下引某个佚名法师的记录:
“首批魔法师将他们自己投射到影界深处,去寻求答案或魔力(通常是魔力)。他们找到了禁忌魔神:偰本科克、奕默莎尔、‘自在魔’伽克斯康和‘无形者’。它们谈了很多,揭示了许多世界构造之秘,血魔法就此诞生。

注:
禁忌魔神(The Forbidden Ones)——关于这个翻译,这词有神灵的意思,虽然翻译成禁忌帝皇、禁忌之君等之类也不是不可以。 英语科幻奇幻作品里,“One”如果前面加定冠词或形容词,往往指神、伟人、至高无上的君主等概念。
目前DA里关于人类世界血魔法起源有三种说法:
人类世界主流的古龙神传授说,人类世界非主流的禁忌魔法传授说,学习自古代精灵说法——我觉得这三种应该都是部分真相。
有小绿手外挂的情况下游戏里三代主角最强无疑问,另外一二三代主角都打过的隐藏BOSS——禁忌魔神(The Forbidden Ones)中除了看起来应该是最强者与领导者的无形者(The Formless One)外的另外仨——的情况看(看起来这仨面对一二三代主角都是类似于使用分身):
1代主角对付的是自在魔伽克斯康(Gaxkang the Unbound)











注意这句话:

跟一代主角战斗时


伽克斯康可以在秘法恐魔与亡魂之间转变形态,这种形态的战力要弱于伽克斯康真正的恶魔形态
另外注意:
一代主角没能杀死伽克斯康
二代主角面对的是不朽的偰本科克(Xebenkeck)






偰本科克与二代主角交手时使用的是真正的恶魔形态
在此提醒注意一点,文献将偰本科克称为被遗忘者(The Forgotten Ones),这是野精灵传说中精灵神里的邪神称呼——虽然如今看除了米索尔跟光头外,所有精灵神都可以说是邪恶的(三代后的如今,对人类来说光头也是邪恶的)


而赛达斯世界第二部也提及这个称呼的诡异之处,另外DAI结局DLC也说明她跟古精灵神确实有关系——这个最后再说
另外注意:
二代主角也没能杀死偰本科克
第三代主角对付的是奕默莎尔(Imshael)

“I will see Michel dead.” Mihris raised her staff.
“我要杀死麦凯尔。”麦瑞丝举起她的法杖。
“That would be your choice,” Briala said, “Imshael.”
“那是你的选择吧,”布雷娅说,“奕默莎尔。”
Mihris paused, and Celene gave Briala an incredulous look. Felassan nodded.
麦瑞丝停住了。赛琳娜难以置信地看着布雷娅。费拉森点点头。
“As I was saying,” Briala went on as if she hadn’t just murdered a noblewoman, her mind so amazingly calm that her thoughts felt like pieces of crystal sliding into place in some great dwarven puzzle, “your grasp of magic has increased, and you speak about it with far more knowledge than a simple Dalish healer would have. And right now, you’re clouding Michel’s and Gaspard’s minds to prevent them from seeing us, just like the demon did to tempt Michel out to the circle in the first place. All of it made me wonder why Imshael would spare one Dalish girl, if, as you said, the rest of your clan had been slain.”
“如我刚才所说,”布雷娅继续讲下去,仿佛刚才她杀死女贵族的事压根没发生一样。她的意识现在出奇的清晰,如同一颗颗水晶石被插入矮人谜题机关的正确位置中。“你的法力增强了。一路来你的谈吐已经远远超过一个普通野精灵医师的知识范围。而刚才你蒙蔽了麦凯尔和加斯帕的意识,使他们看不见听不见我们在做什么。这和在野精灵营地里恶魔蒙蔽了其他人的意识,把麦凯尔引诱去法阵的做法一模一样。这一切都让我好奇,如果奕默莎尔真的像你说的屠杀了整个部落,是什么原因它让你一个人活了下来? ”
“Because she made a choice,” Felassan said. “She wanted revenge against Michel for unleashing Imshael upon her clan, and she was willing to allow herself to be possessed to make it possible.”
“因为她做出了一个选择。”费拉森说,“麦凯尔释放了奕默莎尔导致她的族人被杀,她为这件事要向麦凯尔报仇。为此她选择被恶魔附身,以达成她的目的。”
Celene looked at Mihris in disgust. “Possessed by a demon?”
赛琳娜厌恶地看着麦瑞丝,“被恶魔附身?”
“Spirit,” Mihris corrected, and then caught herself and chuckled. When she spoke again, her voice had deepened to that of the man who’d stood in the circle. “Ah, pity. You’re a bit more cunning than you look. Yes, Empress, I offered young Mihris here a little additional power in exchange for getting to come along.” The thing inside Mihris smiled. “None of which explains why I shouldn’t just kill bold Ser Michel now to fulfill my end of the bargain.”
“灵体,”麦瑞丝纠正说,说完吃吃地笑了。当她再次开口时,她的声音已经变为那个站在法阵里的人的声音。“啊,真遗憾。看来你们比我以为的要聪明一些。是的,女皇,我为年轻的麦瑞丝增强了一些法力,作为她带我来到这里的交换。”麦瑞丝体内的东西微笑着说,“但这并不能解释,为什么我现在不直接杀了胆大包天的麦凯尔骑士,以完成我和他的交易。”
Michel and Gaspard were clashing again in earnest, blades ringing with the uneven pattern of two master warriors, but Briala ignored it. Michel’s life and her ** hinged on her thinking very quickly.
麦凯尔和加斯帕还在拼杀着,两人势均力敌,不分高下。但布雷娅的思路在高速运转着,几乎听不到他们武器撞击的声音。
“You could have killed him before, after we first fought. You didn’t. Why?”
“你早就可以杀了他,为什么不?”
“Because Mihris has to choose it,” Felassan answered, as the demon turned to him with a curious smile. “It let Mihris have the choice to attack, knowing we would kill her, or stand down and abide by the truce. She chose to abide.”
“因为它想看麦瑞丝会做出什么选择,”费拉森回答,恶魔向他狡黠地笑了下,“它想知道麦瑞丝是否会冒被我们杀死的危险去报仇,或者遵守停战协议在一边旁观。麦瑞丝选择了旁观。”
“Then she made her choice,” Briala said, looking at Imshael. “And your end of the bargain is fulfilled.”
“她已经做出了选择,”布雷娅看着奕默莎尔说,“你们的交易已经完成了。”
The demon shrugged. “Possibly, love. But if you and your pretty empress gain the eluvians, what does it matter? All I want is a world to explore and desperate, motivated people to play with. What can your empire give me that Gaspard’s cannot?”
恶魔耸耸肩,“好吧,亲。不过,你和你的女皇得到了魔镜,我又得到什么?我只需要一个广阔世界去探索,一些不顾一切的有进取冒险精神的人陪我玩。你又有什么东西是加斯帕不能给我的?”
“I will free the elves,” Celene said. “Think of the chaos, the opportunity. The balance of power—”
“我可以解放精灵,”赛琳娜说,“想想那将带来的混乱,机会,各势力间的均衡将——”
“Will be carefully managed, just as always.” The demon gave Celene a knowing look. “You will free the elves when you are ready, when it is safe. You offer me a stately dinner,” he said, waving Mihris’s staff idly, “when what I want is the ravening, bare-fisted gluttony of a starving man. The elves, the templars and the mages … they might kill a few thousand people, but that’s just fire and swords. Fire and swords are dull.” His eyes glittered. “There are so many more things in this wonderful world, so many more ways to mark the measure of a man.”
“像往常一样,被你小心翼翼管控着。”恶魔会意地看着赛琳娜,“你会在合适的时机解放精灵,在你觉得安全的时候。你正儿八经地给我上了一份盒饭,”它边说边悠闲地晃荡着麦瑞丝的法杖,“而我想要的是一顿贪婪饿鬼梦中的饕餮大餐。精灵,圣殿骑士,法师,就算他们引发的战争让成千上万人丧命,也不过是杀人放火罢了。对我而言,杀人放火的事情很无聊。”它眼睛眨了眨,“这个美妙的世界上有太多其他的事物、其他的办法来衡量人类的尺度。”
“I will not allow you to endanger my empire,” Celene said, her voice cold. “If letting you walk free put my people’s lives in such jeopardy, I would throw myself upon Gaspard’s blade.”
“我不允许你在我的帝国捣乱,”赛琳娜说,她的语气冰冷,“如果放你出来意味着危及我的人民,我宁愿死在加斯帕剑下。”
Imshael looked at her in surprise. “You actually would, wouldn’t you? And here I thought you prized nothing more than your throne.”
奕默莎尔有些讶异地看着她,“你当真想这么做? 我想你最关心的还是你的皇位吧。”
“You know, you’ve got a good point,” Felassan said. “Fire and swords are dull. But what if something bigger was coming?”
“你刚才有个很好的观点,”费拉森说,“杀人放火的事情很无聊。不过,如果有更大的事情将要发生呢?”
“I’m listening, Slow Arrow,” said the demon. “What could you possibly do that you and I have not seen a hundred times before while the sweaty mortals lusted and grappled and bled their lives away?”
“我听着呢,慢箭,”恶魔说,“千百年来这些污泥中的凡人一直都在欲望中挥霍着他们的生命,你和我还没看够么。你以为你还能整出什么新名堂来?”
Felassan said nothing, just smiled, twisting the tattoos around his face.
费拉森没有回答,只是微笑着,他脸上的面纹奇怪地扭动着。
“Oh, my,” Imshael breathed. “Is that a promise?”
“噢,我的天,”奕默莎尔吸了一口气,“你那是个保证么?”
“Well, I was going for more of a threat.”
“好吧,我要说的是更大的威胁。”
Imshael turned to Celene, who stared at him uncertainly. “Empress,” he said, “best of luck to you. I do believe you’re going to need it. Whatever happens, I believe that Orlais is going to be quite exciting for the next little while.”
奕默莎尔转向赛琳娜,她不明所以地瞪着它。“女皇,祝你好运。我是认真的:你就快需要运气了。无论发生什么,看上去奥莱帝国过一阵将会非常热闹。”
Then light flared around Mihris, and she fell to her knees, her staff flickering back to icy white. For a moment, a smoky shape flickered around Mihris, a haze that clung to her body, and then it was shooting across the room through one of the mirrors on the wall. The mirror flared brilliant red, then darkened back to the inert dullness of its dormant state, and the demon was gone.
麦瑞丝身上发出一道光,她倒在地上,法杖的光芒回归雪白的颜色。过了一会,一个烟雾状的形体从麦瑞丝身体中浮现出来,然后这形体箭一般闪过大厅,穿过墙上的一面魔镜,魔镜瞬间发出红光,然后又暗淡下来,重新进入休眠状态。恶魔就此消失了。
这位最早出场是第四本长篇官方小说,一般喜欢声称自己是灵体,很讨厌别人叫自己恶魔。
性格鬼畜而逗13,在游戏里拿玩家开过刷


要跟玩家做交易,选项里有处女(virgins)——其实virgins也可以指处男。
如果玩家选择要这个,会被他调侃选择跟自己要处女的人太多,所以找不到已断货没法给主角(问题设定书显示这货屠杀灭族召唤并且试图囚禁自己拿野精灵部落时没杀孩子,还把精灵孩子都送到其它精灵部落抚养,这得有多少个virgins?分明就是存心不给主角找打么 )不过自己可以用一个强大的腐蚀符文代替交易。
如果选择拒绝交易跟它战斗,他也是直接使用恶魔形态——在恐惧(三代新出的恶魔品种)、愤怒、骄傲三种恶魔形态直接切换。

三代新出的恶魔品种恐惧(Fear)
而且当被打掉70%左右的血后,奕默莎尔还会跟伽克斯康与偰本科克借力(无形者估计是懒得理他,他也不敢为这种事找无形者),要这俩小伙伴借给自己力量:


随着他给这俩小伙伴打电话——打电话这个梗出自三大妈对于DAI考爷某句本来超霸气的台词的搞笑机翻——借力后,奕默莎尔的护盾会升满并现出第三种恶魔形态。
然后被车掉
当然还是注意:
三代主角应该也没能杀死奕默莎尔
按照三代主角分别与三名禁忌魔神交手情况看
1代伽克斯康——非真正的恶魔形态,弱于正常出力形态
2代偰本科克——真正的恶魔形态,正常出力形态
3代奕默莎尔——真正的恶魔形态+跟前两个小伙伴借力,超过正常出力形态
当然官方没有显示这三位禁忌魔神的力量强弱说明,可能差不多也可能仨里伽克斯康最强也可能偰本科克最强还可能奕默莎尔最强,单纯用以上推论判断主角武力并不精确。
这里主要是提下三代的这仨一脉相承的隐藏BOSS
另外再说一次一二三代主角面对的都是类似于分身的禁忌魔神形态,主角没有在现实世界杀死它们的能力
1代原文根本没有主角杀死伽克斯康一说,这里的任务完成汉化有点问题:

看下原文
"the unbound revenant Gaxkang was defeated and sent back to the Fade"
1代游戏原文里只是称主角打败了伽克斯康,原文只是称伽克斯康回到影界,并没有伽克斯康死了一说。
而二代成就里虽然声称主角杀死了偰本科克,但同时称偰本科克是不朽的

结果DAI奕默莎尔跟这俩小伙伴一借力:

显然不但一代主角没杀死伽克斯康,二代主角同样也没杀死偰本科克。
另外DAI最后结局DLC文献:
Codex Entry
The pages of this book - memory? - show the blazing forms of the Enuvaris banishing a howling spirit from the reaches of the Fade that touches their lands. A voice rings out, stern and imperial:
"For abandoning the people in their greatest time of need, for casting aside form to flee to where the earth could not reach, we declare Xebenkeck and others of her ilk exiled from the lands of the Enuvaris. Beware! Their familiarity with the shape allows them to travel paths unaided. They may be bound, but only the protection of your Gods will fully shield you from their malice. They are forbidden from the earth that is our right."
起码四魔神中的偰本科克似乎是精灵仍然是永生的古精灵帝国时代,将自身转化成灵体/恶魔的古精灵强大法师或者古精灵神,成为古精灵帝国与精灵神的敌人被放逐。
1代伽克斯康表示他一直在监控奥斯特加与窝蹲,似乎显得禁忌魔神与枯潮有关。
2代偰本科克被称为精灵神里的被遗忘者——有些证据显示被遗忘者似乎是枯潮的制造者,当然随着结局DLC里古龙神应该不是精灵神的设定,这些推测依据的可信性也降低了不少。如今文献显示她是古精灵帝国时期的存在。
3代奕默莎尔知道培养与枯潮同源的红利瑞姆的方法
其实DA世界仔细挖掘,某些大设定一直是连贯的。
另外在设定书里出现的奕默莎尔日记:
他屠杀灭族召唤并且试图囚禁自己拿野精灵部落时没杀孩子,还善良的(奕默莎尔自称)把精灵孩子都送到其它精灵部落抚养。所以这得有多少个virgins?游戏里称找不到,分明就是存心不给主角找打么




这篇日记里对于恶魔诱惑人类的诡辩我看完后居然有种——说的好像很有道理的感觉么233
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