开发者爆尿NX性能
本帖最后由 cat122802501 于 2015-10-18 01:35 编辑http://www.nintendoforums.com/th ... rful-hardware.1963/
Nintendo has historically used last-generation technology in their consoles, which resulted in performance that was inferior to competitors' consoles. This was the case with GameCube, DS, Wii, 3DS, and Wii U, all of which were outpowered by Sony and Microsoft systems.
It looks like that practice is about to change with Nintendo's next generation console. Nintendo started distributing the software version of the "NX" development kit to qualified publishers and developers this week. We had a brief chat with a senior developer at a major game publishing company based in the U.S., and according to him, Nintendo NX is going to have very impressive hardware. Based on the development kit, the sheer processing capabilities of the hardware (which still hasn't been finalized) are going to be "incredibly powerful" and quite possibly faster than whatever Sony and Microsoft have in store. Specifically, one software demo included with the kit crunches so many polygons that it's currently impossible to run at 60fps using a current-generation Intel (we're assuming a Core i7 Skylake) CPU and a nearly top-of-the-line graphics card (no specifics provided, but they probably used a single graphics card).
Given that analysts are now predicting a holiday 2016 launch date for the NX, the only logical conclusion is that Nintendo is working with an established chip giant to design and create a highly specialized CPU and GPU combination that will outperform modern-generation hardware.
All of this sounds great, as long as the architecture is not too proprietary. We would hate to have a situation similar to N64, where Nintendo ships powerful hardware that underperforms under real-life conditions because extremely specialized hardware is too difficult to develop for and does not lend itself to easy porting of popular development frameworks out of the box. Either way, this will be a clear change from the Wii and Wii U generations, and we are looking for more details about what else the development kit includes.
Based on the development kit, the sheer processing capabilities of the hardware (which still hasn't been finalized) are going to be "incredibly powerful" and quite possibly faster than whatever Sony and Microsoft have in store. Specifically, one software demo included with the kit crunches so many polygons that it's currently impossible to run at 60fps using a current-generation Intel (we're assuming a Core i7 Skylake) CPU and a nearly top-of-the-line graphics card (no specifics provided, but they probably used a single graphics card).
从开发套件可以看出，NX拥有非常强大的性能，在硬件上可能比ps4和x1还要强劲。演示demo的多边形很多以至于可能连最新世代的skylake i7和最强显卡也无法做到60fps。
硬件上去也改变不了什么了，本世代格局已定 不可能，就算能力强，但是对待第三方的和玩家的态度和索尼微软刚正面死得更快 4k马里奥，想想就带感 就算是真的，老任自己的技术落后人家一个世代，怎么搞 本世代想翻盘不容易 1080P的市场已经瓜分完了 直接上4K吧! 如果不锁区，真有那性能还不贵的话的确可以翻盘啊。现在架构都差不多，跨平台很容易。 性能不强被黑。性能强了也被黑。怎么办呦。 Specifically, one software demo included with the kit crunches so many polygons that it's currently impossible to run at 60fps using a current-generation Intel (we're assuming a Core i7 Skylake) CPU and a nearly top-of-the-line graphics card (no specifics provided, but they probably used a single graphics card).
太真实了，我简直要信了 很希望看见搅局者出现！
楼主翻译是不是有点问题？我理解的意思是，演示使用了很多多边形，目前一块 Skylake世代的 i7 CPU 加一块顶级显卡都没法60帧运行。 不是还自带一掌机设备么
这是打算卖699美元？ 嗯，LZ翻译错误，原文是说就算用i7skylake加单块顶级显卡都没法跑那个demo所以推测NX是高度定制的碾压当前设备的芯片 以及，不是说GC性能高于PS2吗？还是说这个传言只是段子？ Majula 发表于 2015-10-18 01:22
很希望看见搅局者出现！
楼主翻译是不是有点问题？我理解的意思是，演示使用了很多多边形，目前一块 Skylak ...
已改 谢谢提醒 xiaomingtc 发表于 2015-10-18 01:33
嗯，LZ翻译错误，原文是说就算用i7skylake加单块顶级显卡都没法跑那个demo所以推测NX是高度定制的碾压当前 ...
已改 谢谢提醒 不过，感觉现在的游戏不是在机能上不行。而是在游戏内容上没什么突破了。做一个游戏成本这么高，大作都不敢太玩票，然后一作吃5年。真不如steam上玩玩独立游戏算了。如果只是纯拼机能这样下去，就算是某个主机战赢了次世代战争又怎样？ 赢了 是不是又是找农企定制？那赢了，农企的PPT一直都是秒天秒地秒空气的 我觉得demo吓人很有可能是原生Mantle/DX12级API的原因，所以场景密集恐惧也跑得很顺。
在PS4和X1开发工具升级之后，应该就会拉平。 虽然不可信，但要是真的话也会很高兴，但是我觉得于事无补吧 哈哈，老任有这个技术力早拿出来了，找农企定制的话能信？ wbtsy 发表于 2015-10-18 00:48
不过，感觉现在的游戏不是在机能上不行。而是在游戏内容上没什么突破了。做一个游戏成本这么高，大作都不敢 ...
主机游戏也好，独立游戏也罢，发展游戏开发技术提高机能还是很重要的，想想曾经辉煌过的日式游戏为什么衰落了。 一个可能2016到2017才出的机器的硬件上是"可能"比ps4和x1还要强劲 老任有这技术力？有点不信呀 殲滅 发表于 2015-10-18 01:16
主机游戏也好，独立游戏也罢，发展游戏开发技术提高机能还是很重要的，想想曾经辉煌过的日式游戏为什么衰 ...
我怎么觉得正是机能发展得太NB了，或者被逼到太NB了。做一个3A要搭上全家性命。所以日式那种非好莱坞工业化的开发模式才跟不上。
然而欧美好莱坞式虽然在运营上跟得上，但是一些作品的个性不如日式那么突出。好多东西都一个味。 itzpapalotl 发表于 2015-10-18 02:12
一个可能2016到2017才出的机器的硬件上是"可能"比ps4和x1还要强劲
如果真能出来那真的有点可怕了。就算到2016这种级别配置的pc 6000RMB也拿不下吧。如果能4000块就拿下无疑可以吸引很多中立党，成为跨平台游戏最好的选择。当然任天堂锁区，没什么卵用。 卖多少钱呢。。 你们凭什么看不起农企，难道本世代主机不是农企的上网本cpu加7970？ 问题是NX是PS5世代的东西吧?
比PS4性能弱才奇怪吧?
现在的问题是第三方!不然你出个领先业界50年的主机,还是马里奥大金刚有什么用啊? 第三方都被任地狱日够了，到时候只有几家厂做游戏 好画面不如好美工
玩家需求的是好看而不一定是仿真
这也是为什么2D拟3D也是一大流派而独立游戏的像素类等返祖类型能受欢迎 毛线小球 发表于 2015-10-18 08:50
老任现在最大的黑点反而不是性能了。
翔一样的网络服务，锁区，8国语言没中文 ...
扯，说得好像以前就不黑这些一样……
而且就算这些解决了也没任何卵用。因为这些是你买了才能感受到的。
而机能烂和游戏少直接决定你不买……
个人而言，翔一样的帐号的系统，中文化，网络服务是决定我买游戏机首要因素。锁区也很讨厌。
独占游戏，那个能吃吗？ 不关心机能
反正我基本上只玩地狱本家的游戏