xjtxp 发表于 2013-3-2 10:13

《星球大战》:怎么会有人觉得帕尔帕廷那算演技欺骗观众

看了这帖27楼有感:
http://bbs.saraba1st.com/2b/read-htm-tid-898878.html









这位可是早在第1部电影——上映于1977年的EP4《新希望》之前,早在1976年就被官方小说揭了老底。
随后被各种官方作品在《西斯的复仇》前揭身份N次的主,再怎么说都算不了欺骗观众啊。



此文以下内容,严禁转发到主要讨论网络小说及其相关的网站论坛。  
  




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旧共和国是一个传奇的共和国,超越了时间和空间。不必追溯它的起源,也不必寻求它的方位……它就是宇宙这一方的独一无二的共和国。

在议会的英明治理和绝地武士们的保卫下,共和国一度十分兴旺发达。然而,事物的发展往往就是这样:当财富和权力从受人倾慕而膨胀到令人畏惧时,奸邪之徒就会应运而生。

他们贪得无厌,渐荫觊觎之心。

共和国就是这样地处在物极必反的转折关头。犹如一棵无与伦比的参天大树,虽然还能经受外来风雨的侵袭,内里却已蛀空,只是认表面上还看不出危亡的迹象罢了。

野心勃勃的议员帕尔帕庭在一帮权欲薰心、不甘寂寞的政府官员和商界大亨的煽动支持下,施展伎俩骗取选票,爬上了共和国议长的宝座。他许诺团结民众中对政府不满的人,恢复共和国往昔的繁荣昌盛。

可是,地位一旦稳固,他就马上改制称帝,深居皇官,远离民众了。不久,他就为一帮由他委以重任的好邪谄媚之徒所挟持,人民正义的呼声再也传不到他的耳边了。

帝国的总督和其它官吏们一旦用阴谋欺诈的手段消灭了星系里的正义卫士——绝地武士,他们即着手在星系内被暴力慑服的星球中建立起恐怖统治。许多人利用帝国武装,打着日益孤立的皇帝的旗号来实现个人的野心。

但是也有少数星球不畏强横,苗起反抗新暴政。他们公开宣布反对“新秩序”,从而开始了复兴旧共和国的战斗。

开头那一阵,皇帝所控制奴役的星球在数量上远远地超过了他们。在那最初的黑暗岁月里,似乎等不到反抗的火焰将新的真理之光普照星系中备受蹂躏的各个民族,它就注定会被扑灭……。





The Old Republic was the Republic of legend, greater than distance or time. No need to note where it was or whence it came, only to know that... it was the Republic.

Once, under the wise rule of the Senate and the protection of the Jedi Knights, the Republic throve and grew. But as often happens when wealth and power pass beyond the admirable and attain the awesome, then appear those evil ones who have greed to match.

So it was with the Republic at its height. Like the greatest of trees, able to withstand any external attack, the Republic rotted from within though the danger was not visible from outside.

Aided and abetted by restless, power-hungry individuals within the government, and the massive organs of commerce, the ambitious Senator Palpatine caused himself to be elected President of the Republic. He promised to reunite the disaffected among the people and to restore the remembered glory of the Republic.

Once secure in office he declared himself Emperor, shutting himself away from the populace. Soon he was controlled by the very assistants and boot-lickers he had appointed to high office, and the cries of the people for justice did not reach his ears.

Having exterminated through treachery and deception the Jedi Knights, guardians of justice in the galaxy, the Imperial governors and bureaucrats prepared to institute a reign of terror among the disheartened worlds of the galaxy. Many used the imperial forces and the name of the increasingly isolated Emperor to further their own personal ambitions.

But a small number of systems rebelled at these new outrages. Declaring themselves opposed to the New Order they began the great battle to restore the Old Republic.

From the beginning they were vastly outnumbered by the systems held in thrall by the Emperor. In those first dark days it seemed certain the bright flame of resistance would be extinguished before it could cast the light of new truth across a galaxy of oppressed and beaten peoples...



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——《新希望》电影小说中英文双版






早在1976年时,星战官方所出版的第一部官方作品——比正传电影第一部,EP4《新希望》电影上映还早半年——第二星球大战EP4《新希望》官方小说。

其开篇部分,就已经明确说过:
帝国的皇帝名为帕尔帕庭,曾是共和国议员的,后成为旧共和国议长。


而随后,早在1980年,天朝出版社就曾引进翻译过这部小说。

虽然天朝出版社对这小说翻译不咋好。尤其是按如今的标准来说


我在引用翻译时,把翻译里部分明显错误或有问题的词,给稍微修改了一下。

(比如:80年代的天朝出版社,把 President议长 给翻译成了总统——虽然President这词本身,确实既有议长的意思,也有总统的意思。按早期官方设定说,这翻译并无问题。
Senator则被翻译为参议员、Senate被翻译成参议院,这显然按官方设定是错误的,我将其改为议员、议会。)



PS:
天朝出版社把作者名给注成卢卡斯也是严重错误。
电影小说是依据卢卡斯的电影剧本故事笔记,与电影同步创作。再后经卢卡斯修改后出版的

——修改程度六部电影小说不一致,前传三部曲卢卡斯在出版前的审核做的非常详细,尤其是EP3《西斯的复仇》小说几乎是卢卡斯逐句审核修改后才出版的。
而正传三部曲除了EP6《绝地归来》卢卡斯详细审核修改过外,EP4、EP5电影小说卢卡斯出版前审核程度非常少,主要是提供电影剧本故事笔记——

所以会有这类世纪剧透,但作者确实不是卢卡斯本人。




恩,在电影上映前就出版的官方作品除了《星球大战》官方小说外,还出版了《星球大战》官方漫画——当时是跟惊奇合作出的漫画:

https://blufiles.storage.live.com/y1pVANCTFmuKpZfVG3YeGKC3ifiNXz73KDkGgs_R8IffpAOGLcqTq2QCNV3ytiU1l7v_JVTFq__brWAdhNR3RZ8_w/marvel001.jpg


不过因为漫画出版太早了,跟官方影视部门的协调也不够,导致早期漫画物体颜色上有问题。
比如欧比万和卢克也用红色光剑:


https://blufiles.storage.live.com/y1phGoW3uYyJ4YPTO35ZV4HarGH_8wUDcgTov3y4TXliTgb2feFC6ZehJlkLqi2BR45XWlX8V9TCilCXN0leCK0Iw/redsaber.jpg




这是《新希望》漫画里的贾巴:

https://blufiles.storage.live.com/y1pLEnhGafbHKJBLPxGt1QvJwEXbZRtI_raIFpsM9QJl2L3xoz40t_nfnm5f-j07fmrgNGW5JJDK_hfOijLCtZLjg/jabba.jpg

会把贾巴画成这样是因为老版《新希望》电影里,并没有贾巴跟汉的对话。贾巴在老版EP4电影里没出场——在EP4电影里看到的贾巴和汉对话。是1997年后修复版EP4里给加上去的。
但是电影上映前就出版的,依据电影故事剧本创作的的《新希望》官方小说里,却早就有这段贾巴和汉对话。

而《新希望》漫画是根据小说创作这段剧情(电影小说作者是卢卡斯基友,交流本身就深着一层。惊奇漫画人员则没这好运),由于小说有形容贾巴“瘦高颀长”之类的文字,所以漫画给画了这么个造型。
如果说小说还可以勉强解读为,贾巴在赫特人中是“瘦高颀长”的话,可是1977年漫画中贾巴的形象……http://static.tieba.baidu.com/tb/editor/images/ali/ali_031.gif

月亮苹果派 发表于 2013-3-2 11:28

额… 好像是那帖的标题被改掉了,我记得我回复的时候是说成功的阴谋家。

如果说欺骗到观众的,那应该是蓝染吧



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月亮苹果派 发表于 2013-3-2 12:01

标题没看仔细系列   看到帖子的时候重点放在成功的阴谋家了 忽略了欺骗观众...

死线 发表于 2013-3-2 12:38

帕尔帕庭也算是历史的推动者了……

把旧共和国这样一个松散城邦组成的邦联改造成一个中央集权帝国……

然后卢克们再想办法把这么个帝国改造成联邦……

woshenc 发表于 2013-3-2 12:54

皇帝绝对是历史推动者啊,而且几乎是以一己之力来推动历史...

阿纳金 发表于 2013-3-2 13:36

引用第4楼woshenc于2013-03-02 12:54发表的:
皇帝绝对是历史推动者啊,而且几乎是以一己之力来推动历史... images/back.gif


打死贝恩到打死普雷格斯的一众二人西斯的努力被抹杀了哭哭哭喔。
旧共和国会变成这么个松散城邦还不是他们害的,都是西时臣的错!

cyberalogo 发表于 2013-3-2 13:55

量子力学 发表于 2013-3-2 13:58

瘦高颀长的贾巴。233

palpatine 发表于 2013-3-2 14:01

xjtxp 发表于 2013-3-2 14:09

引用第8楼palpatine于2013-03-02 14:01发表的  :
有预言护航, 皇帝怎么可能输,images/back.gif



那预言含义的唯一正确解释就是消灭西斯,根本不是给皇帝护航的。

当然星战那种未来不断变化,连时光漫步之类时空类技能,都不可能看到绝对恒定未来的情况。让重要原力预言的实现率一向很坑爹——遇战疯人倒是当了回预言帝,双生子的相残预言被杰娜跟杰森姐弟俩实现了。


那预言原文:

A Jedi will come
To destroy the Sith
And bring balance to the Force



卢卡斯本人明确说过,电影时期预言里那版本的原力平衡,根本就不是光明与黑暗的平衡:

Many fans incorrectly assume that balance refers to an equal mix of both light and dark side users. However, as George Lucas explains in the introductory documentary for the VHS version A New Hope, Special Edition, this is not the case:

"The first film starts with the last age of the Republic, which is it's getting tired, it's old, it's getting corrupt.
There's the rise of the Sith, who are becoming a force, and in the backdrop of this we have Anakin Skywalker, a young boy who is destined to be a significant player in bringing balance back to the Force and to the Republic...
Then in the second film we get into more of that turmoil. It's the beginning of the Clone Wars, it's the beginning of the end of democracy in the Republic, sort of the beginning of the end of the Republic. And it's Anakin Skywalker beginning to deal with some of his more intense emotions of anger, hatred, sense of loss, possessiveness, jealousy, and the other things he has to cope with.
And then we will get to the 3rd film where he is seduced to the dark side..
Which brings us up to the films 4, 5, and 6, in which Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe..."
In an interview, Lucas compared the difference between the light and dark sides as being like the difference between a symbiotic relationship and a cancer. A symbiotic relationship is one which benefits both parties and in which neither is harmed, whereas a cancer takes without giving back, eventually causing the death of both parties.


孟取義 发表于 2013-3-2 16:26

4ybiobo 发表于 2013-3-2 16:49

xjtxp 发表于 2013-3-2 17:10

引用第10楼孟取義于2013-03-02 16:26发表的:
关于原力平衡,难道不是绝地武士强大西斯销声匿迹的时候,阿纳金毁掉了绝地议会,而在西斯强大绝地苟延残喘的时候,达斯维德又干掉了西斯皇帝,丫就是天平上的砝码啊 images/back.gif



9楼不说的很明白么,绝地被清洗根本就不是原力平衡里的内容,关于阿纳金的原力平衡就是消灭西斯。
另外维德上哪去干掉大概已经死了三千多年的西斯皇帝?

ambivalence 发表于 2013-3-2 19:09

我想了很久才发现说的不是:“我是你爹地”

深渊魔王 发表于 2013-3-2 19:31

神高达 发表于 2013-3-2 21:09

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