HW的武器都挺现实的，但是那航行技术太imba了
刚从地上爬起来不就就横跨银河系……
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引用第25楼深渊魔王于2012-09-08 00:12发表的 回 21楼(C.W.Nimitz) 的帖子 :星战的设定不能细究
比如，在一个恒星际航行像开车去趟隔壁城市一样简单的时代，香料之类竟然还要靠走私
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http://static.tieba.baidu.com/tb/editor/images/jd/j_0017.gif第一句话请改成：没细究过星战的设定前，不要急着发言。
在星战世界,毒品(Drug)和香料(Spice)是同义词
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引用第43楼深渊魔王于2012-09-08 09:46发表的 Re:Re:回 21楼(C.W.Nimitz) 的帖子 :恒星际航行需要多少能量不用多说吧？有这些能量什么毒品不能在本地合成出来，需要跨星球走私？
当然，星战的归类本身就是太空歌剧，和奇幻一样都是带fantasy的 images/back.gif
能星际航行就一定能随意合成毒品？这两者间有必然关系？
何况你要这样认为，那干脆应该具有星际航行能力的作品，搞食品等生活物资的运送设定都有问题。因为按你这种逻辑，这类东西“有这些能量就能在本地合成出来”
更何况毒品加工这类非法行为，你指望每个地方都有大张旗鼓做的？
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引用第25楼深渊魔王于2012-09-08 00:12发表的 回 21楼(C.W.Nimitz) 的帖子 :再比如所有的地面武器都是定向能武器，用光剑挡开就万事OK，破片、冲击波什么的完全不存在，从来没有人想到往炮弹里装炸药 images/back.gif
顺便再加一句，虽然星战里的动能武器少了些。但你说其不存在，就只能说是你星战作品看得少了。
至于用动能武器攻击原力使用者？
在阿纳金14岁时，绝地大师乔罗斯·瑟鲍思（Jorus C’baoth））曾当着欧比万等人的面，徒手用原力挡下袭击而来的导弹，并存心使导弹停滞在半空中，直至其燃料耗尽：
（当然前传时期绝大部分的绝地，敢像乔罗斯·瑟鲍思这么玩是找死）
Seated on his hotel room balcony, Doriana smiled down at the scene below him. The players had assembled, and it was time for the performance to begin.
Picking up his comlink, he keyed it on and punched in the proper activation code. Then, setting the comlink aside, he settled down to watch.
Even stretched out to the Force, Lorana's only warning was a burst of commotion at the leftmost edge of the marketplace, a sudden movement of shoppers as they scattered away from one of the booths. "Something's happening," she warned, pointing.
The words were barely out of her mouth when the booth erupted in a flash of light and a burst of smoke. "Watch out!" Obi-Wan barked, the snap-hiss of his lightsaber sounding behind her.
Lorana yanked out her own lightsaber, igniting it as she tried to pierce the expanding smoke cloud. As far as she could tell, nothing else seemed to be happening. "To the right!" Obi-Wan warned.
Lorana turned; and to her horror she saw a silvery cylinder streak out of another of the booths, flying a bare meter above the ground.
Coming straight toward them.
"I've got it," she said, jumping into its path and lifting her lightsaber into attack-3 position. Defense against incoming remotes was an exercise C'baoth had drilled her in for hour after wearying hour. Behind her, she sensed Obi-Wan moving back and to her right into backstop position. She settled her breathing, watching the missile approach, trying not to think about what would happen if her attack detonated the warhead . . .
It was nearly to her when, without warning, the front of the nose cone erupted into a cloud of sparkling smoke, and a cone of roiling black liquid sprayed out at her.
She squeezed her eyes tightly shut, instinctively flinching to the side as she did so. She sensed the missile start to pass, and swung her lightsaber as hard as she could in that direction.
But her sidestep had put her off balance, and even as her blade sliced through the air she knew she was too late. Behind her, she heard the pitch of Obi-Wan's lightsaber change as he took his own shot at it. But the missile's roar changed as fresh thrusters kicked in, and as the heat of the missile's exhaust swept across her she could tell that he, too, had missed.
"Come on!" he shouted. A hand grabbed her arm, and suddenly they were running through the heat and dissipating smoke in the missile's wake. She blinked her eves open, ignoring the sting as the black liquid dribbled into them, to see the missile jinking back and forth down the wide central corridor like a droid seeking a target. Across the building at the far door she saw Anakin and Riske charging in from the other door, Anakin's lightsaber blazing in his hand, Riske's blaster firing uselessly. Letting go of Lorana's arm, Obi-Wan locked his lightsaber on and hurled it at the missile.
But even as the spinning green blade closed on it, the missile's nose dipped and it made a hard turn to the left. She could sense Obi-Wan stretching to the Force, trying to bring his lightsaber back on target. But she could also sense that he wouldn't be in time.
Which left only one thing they could do. Closing her eyes, she stretched out to the Force, turning her thoughts to her Master. Master C'baoth, she sent urgently toward the room beyond the archway. Danger. Danger. Danger. The missile disappeared through the archway, and she joined with the others in racing down the corridor after it. She caught up with Obi-Wan just as he reached the opening, and turned the corner with him.
And found herself confronted by an extraordinary sight.
Seated at opposite ends of the table, the mining and Corporate Alliance representatives had turned in their chairs to stare with a mixture of surprise, fascination, and terror at the missile that had intruded into their solemn proceedings. Between them, half risen from his own chair, C'baoth was holding a hand palm-outward toward the missile, his eyes blazing.
But the missile was no longer moving. It was frozen in midair, halfway between the archway and the table, its thrusters spitting fire uselessly as they tried to drive it forward against C'baoth's Force grip.
"Don't be concerned," the Jedi Master intoned, his voice resonating with power and authority. "So certain parties believe that they know best what is right and just for Barlok, do they? That killing us will bring them their desire? That the influence of violence supersedes the authority of justice?"
The thrusters gave a final sputter and fell silent, and still the missile hung in midair. "Thank you, Master C'baoth-" Obi-Wan said, starting toward the missile.
"Stand fast, Master Kenobi," C'baoth ordered sharply. "That is what our attackers believe, Magistrate Argente; Guild-master Gilfrome," he said, sending a hard look at each end of the table. "Do you believe it, as well?"
Argente found his voice first. "No, of course not," he said, his voice quavering, his eyes locked on the missile that had nearly brought a sudden and violent death to them all.
"Then why do you persist in eroding the legitimate rights of the people of Barlok?" C'baoth demanded. "And you," he added, turning back to Gilfrome's end of the table. "Why do you persist in denying the time and expense the Corporate Alliance has spent in developing resources that would otherwise have forever lain uselessly beneath the soil of your world?"
Gilfrome bristled. "Now, see here, Master C'baoth-"
"No, you see," C'baoth cut in, looking again at Argente. "Both of you see. I have listened to your arguments and your positions and your selfish pettiness. It ends here."
Deliberately, he closed his outstretched hand. With a raucous crackling of stressed metal, the body of the missile crumpled in on itself. "The people of Barlok demand a fair and just decision," he said, more quietly now as he gestured Obi-Wan forward. "I will tell you what that decision is going to be."
The room was silent as Obi-Wan stepped to the mutilated weapon, stretching out his hand to take its weight from C'baoth. Holding it in a Force grip in front of him, he turned and headed back toward the archway. Lorana looked a question at C'baoth, got a microscopic nod in return, and turned to go with Obi-Wan.
It was only then that she noticed Anakin standing beneath the archway, his eyes filled with admiration as he gazed across the room at C'baoth. "That's telling them," he murmured as she and Obi-Wan reached him.
"Come on," Obi-Wan said, his forehead wrinkling slightly as he looked at the boy. "Let's get this thing to the police disposal team."
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绝地大师乔罗斯·瑟鲍思 家园系列都不算单兵作战，最小的单位都是战机级别，根本没法比啊。
还有，黑历史《浩劫》……其实我挺看好这个的啊，里面有段剧情里本图西提供了很imba的私货。
战机级别的机动性，战舰级别的威力……
由于玩的是英文版，而且年代久远，忘了不少，不过那个感染的势力用起来很爽。
也许当年水雷社有人是星际的粉……
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基本没有这样的东西，遇战疯相关设定大都分散在各本设定或者D20之类规则书之中 引用第51楼IOSYS于2012-09-08 14:24发表的:浩劫是黑历史了
剧情超燃不说，光是生物概念和信息概念合一的病毒就够时髦了 images/back.gif
浩劫的剧情确实又紧张又燃，小模块撑起的能量护照和地图炮都很有趣。
可惜是黑历史…… 只玩过HW2的借问一下，2里的泰坦共和国已经被维格尔灭掉了？ 引用第6楼Nebo于2012-09-07 21:54发表的:
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相比之下HW1捞冷冻盘总计才救60万人…… beast这么狂霸酷拽叼的超空间生物就这么黑历史了……
这玩意扔到SW基本就是惊天浩劫了 拿家园跟星战比？根本就是真实系跟超级系的区别，你倒是说说种命跟魔神盖塔对掐哪边赢（什么？！你说两边都是超级系？！我……）
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引用第50楼ssd-executor于2012-09-08 14:10发表的 回 46楼(TEMPTION2) 的帖子 :基本没有这样的东西，遇战疯相关设定大都分散在各本设定或者D20之类规则书之中 images/back.gif
求列举：哪些设定书中关于遇战疯的资料比较多。 引用第55楼小黑鱼于2012-09-08 15:08发表的:
只玩过HW2的借问一下，2里的泰坦共和国已经被维格尔灭掉了？ images/back.gif
２代的片头里说泰坦人在一个维格军阀(Maka'an)的领导下重新崛起……
水雷官坛上讨论的结果认为共和国肯定没了，帝国残余可能还在(都在偏远的外环区)，大多数泰坦人已经被绑上维格战车，一并向希格拉开来
像PDS这种mod都是根据这个设定做的，还有张流传甚广的星系政治地图
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引用第34楼ssd-executor于2012-09-08 01:29发表的 回 33楼(fws20) 的帖子 :我说的是星战诶。。。
HW不管战略机动性再强，碰上锤子之类的话也弥补不了绝对的火力与防御力差距的 images/back.gif
想象一下5公里长的T1000，这就是萨尤克 引用第58楼edmonjl于2012-09-08 15:12发表的:
拿家园跟星战比？根本就是真实系跟超级系的区别，你倒是说说种命跟魔神盖塔对掐哪边赢（什么？！你说两边都是超级系？！我……） images/back.gif
就算基拉是最强调整者，我也不认为他有希望赢过甲儿龙马隼人这群变态。
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家园里面的大型舰艇能随时跳跃而且还不限地点这个太imba。好几次我都是直接精确定位敌人母舰位置然后直接跳跃过去。。。就给撞死了。 浩劫最扯的不是主角方各种战斗力爆表结果却只是希格拉上一个小部族的一只矿船队么 BETA什么的弱爆了阿 引用第62楼熊猫阿黑于2012-09-08 15:36发表的:
就算基拉是最强调整者，我也不认为他有希望赢过甲儿龙马隼人这群变态。
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HW里小灰机神风的技能多好…２代神风居然成了AI的保有技
不过２代也不是想跳哪跳哪，路上有重力井就直接从超空间里被拖出来还狂扣血 谁说水雷把浩劫黑历史了？在水雷船坞里，水雷官方承认了历史上确实有异兽浩劫这么回事，并且承认了浩劫了的机设...
这是水雷船坞的地址...http://shipyards.relicnews.com/index.html 不过水雷虽然迫于压力承认累浩劫为正史，却在HW2的设定里往死了黑萨木塔基斯（浩劫的主角国家）。在终结之战后，萨木塔只在希格拉帝国内围有一小片地方... 引用第60楼cools于2012-09-08 15:23发表的 :
２代的片头里说泰坦人在一个维格军阀(Maka'an)的领导下重新崛起……
水雷官坛上讨论的结果认为共和国肯定没了，帝国残余可能还在(都在偏远的外环区)，大多数泰坦人已经被绑上维格战车，一并向希格拉开来
像PDS这种mod都是根据这个设定做的，还有张流传甚广的星系政治地图 http://www.sarabalst.com/2b/images/back.gif
那啥，帝国泰坦还有残余，在维格尔占领区的北面...南明小朝廷那种类型的... 家园系列1代和浩劫的育碧Z版的说明书真良心。。。2代的奥美版就。。。 引用第49楼菠萝蛋散于2012-09-08 12:43发表的 :
家园系列都不算单兵作战，最小的单位都是战机级别，根本没法比啊。
还有，黑历史《浩劫》……其实我挺看好这个的啊，里面有段剧情里本图西提供了很imba的私货。
战机级别的机动性，战舰级别的威力……
由于玩的是英文版，而且年代久远，忘了不少，不过那个感染的势力用起来很爽。
也许当年水雷社有人是星际的粉…… http://www.sarabalst.com/2b/images/back.gif
比斯特来源于超空间，概念上类似于锤子里亚空间里怪东西...被一艘叫奈克洛格号的远古文明飞船感染上带到了正常空间... 不过水雷虽然迫于压力承认累浩劫为正史，不过却在HW2的设定里往死了黑萨木塔基斯（浩劫的主角国家）。在终结之战后，萨木塔只在希格拉帝国内围有一小片地方...
本来Somtaaw就是西格拉下一个小部族（Kiith）好么 还是不入流的那种 在元老院里没有席位，这个浩劫里都提到过
那啥，帝国泰坦还有残余，在维格尔占领区的北面...南明小朝廷那种类型的...
你说的就是那张整个星系东面都是一片魏格尔红的地图吧。。。。那个属于是被广泛接受了的玩家二设官设基本都模模糊糊的，不会讲太细
那张图还打了Hiigara Empire出来，实际上从来就没有希格拉皇帝什么的出来过，提到过的希格拉最高权力机关是戴阿密德议会，这么说来希格拉应该算比较松散的共和国才对
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The Essential Guide系列里第三代的Warfare，Atlas，第二代的newessential guide to vehicles and vessels，New Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology等等里都有一些，反正都不多就是了，另外D20的Campaign Guide系列里似乎也有些，这边具体就没细看了 引用第70楼cools于2012-09-08 16:23发表的 :你说的就是那张整个星系东面都是一片魏格尔红的地图吧。。。。那个属于是被广泛接受了的玩家二设 官设基本都模模糊糊的，不会讲太细
那张图还打了Hiigara Empire出来，实际上从来就没有希格拉皇帝什么的出来过，提到过的希格拉最高权力机关是戴阿密德议会，这么说来希格拉应该算比较松散的共和国才对 http://www.sarabalst.com/2b/images/back.gif
这个乃不用给咱科普，咱貌似属于最古老的那批HW厨。 12年前和基友联hw1，到昨天还在信景上装菜带新人来着...
那张官方什么比赛的作品的一版只是复原了官设的意思，广为流传的二版才是yy版，里面各种乱七八糟的势力都出来了，甚至还有被官设写死的卡德什...
感觉戴阿米德体制似乎是联邦和邦联之间的政体，叫希格拉联邦更合适... 按浩劫里的剧情，希格拉大小基斯都是有很大自主权的，内部勾心斗角、互相坑爹、以大欺小别太少... 亲 不上个戴维森球吗 家园2的护盾特效当年可是相当有趣的，几个mod后期也是越来越华丽了。
只可惜两个高达mod都不做进一步开发了
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反正矿工beta是战不过beast的，至于其他的，看各方的主脑/头脑/怎么用兵了...回 75楼(Fukai_Rei) 的帖子
seed mod还在继续，虽然咱和“唯一”有点口角，但是这里做个宣传吧...seed 3.0里增加了联合势力，并完善了所有种族的ai...
联合里单位包括：
1、短剑L炮击型号
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2、短剑L空战单位
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3、短剑L火箭筒装
http://www.taiidan.com/forum/data/attachment/forum/201207/04/203615zj8r0rrog0jtxvmx.gif
4、灾厄高达
http://www.taiidan.com/forum/data/attachment/forum/201207/24/003222sl5xtq8z9z5lj9lq.gif
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5、联邦纳尔逊级
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6、阿伽门农
http://www.taiidan.com/forum/data/attachment/forum/201110/28/122444zcycrc711ppeyh77.jpg
7、强袭
http://www.taiidan.com/forum/data/attachment/forum/Mon_0907/14_1_edd61a8c7489ece.jpg
8、德雷克导弹护卫舰
http://www.taiidan.com/forum/data/attachment/forum/201110/24/115615u2xk33ud3p9zgyh2.jpg
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9、莫比乌斯零式...
http://www.taiidan.com/forum/data/attachment/forum/201110/27/092232o1tsmuzuewtyxlpe.jpg
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刨去光環，太空遊戲中我只在自由槍騎兵中見過戴森球。當時還不知道什麼是戴森球呢，只覺得星球像玩具一樣漂浮在地板上的場景太酷了。 各种科幻中太空船只的比例图 包括了光环 环形世界 戴森球 死星 等等 连拉玛都有
http://www.merzo.net/index.html