obiy 发表于 2025-5-15 16:21

任天堂五月更新用户协议,保留变砖权利,用户自愿放弃集体诉讼权,可能调取录音录像

本帖最后由 obiy 于 2025-5-15 21:04 编辑

Updates to the Nintendo Account User Agreement (the “Agreement”) take effect in May 2025
除了ban服务外还包括远程变砖?付了费的gamechat可能会让任天堂获取隐私?

任天堂于近日更新了用户协议。其中,最为瞩目的是对绕过、修改、解密、破坏或篡改任天堂的游戏和服务施加的应对措施。任天堂此次明确表示,保留使玩家的主机彻底变砖的权利。基于各地的消费者保护法,具体措辞有所不同。

其中, 北美版为:“您承认,如果您不遵守上述限制,任天堂可能会导致任天堂帐户服务和/或适用的任天堂设备全部或部分永久无法使用。” 英国版较为柔和的说法为“此类未经授权使用数字产品的行为可能导致数字产品无法使用。”

另外,任天堂可能有限度的监控和录制玩家与其他用户的视频和音频互动。为了调查“可能涉及违法言行”的用户,任天堂可以调取最近三分钟的录音或录像。这样做的目的是为了维护一个“安全、适合家庭的线上环境”。
此外ns2用户协议明确指出用户使用设备和服务时自愿放弃任何形式的集体法律程序,诉讼和仲裁以个人为基础。

THIS ARBITRATION PROVISION PRECLUDES YOU AND NINTENDO FROM SUING IN COURT, HAVING A TRIAL BY JURY, OR PARTICIPATING IN A CLASS ACTION. YOU AND NINTENDO AGREE THAT ARBITRATION WILL BE SOLELY ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS AND NOT AS A CLASS ARBITRATION, CLASS ACTION, OR ANY OTHER KIND OF REPRESENTATIVE PROCEEDING.

名居守 发表于 2025-5-15 16:24

什么标题党……

赤井稻妻 发表于 2025-5-15 16:43

解决了摇杆漂移(会导致玩家集体诉讼)的问题

Troywest 发表于 2025-5-15 16:52

也就是吓唬吓唬一般路人,这种条款真的不和法律条款冲突吗(

snarc1 发表于 2025-5-15 17:08

这种法条真的有效吗

obiy 发表于 2025-5-15 17:14

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Troywest 发表于 2025-5-15 16:52
也就是吓唬吓唬一般路人,这种条款真的不和法律条款冲突吗(

不知道那边的情况,反正迪士尼也干了(指订票app条款ban了(游客在园区里吃东西花生过敏致死的)诉讼权,只能走调解)

星花 发表于 2025-5-15 17:20

南方公园 人体蜈蚣。这破玩意美国认。

UNICORN00 发表于 2025-5-15 18:47

千秋难诉 发表于 2025-5-15 19:51

刚宰完谷歌的欧盟表示谢谢新的大年猪

mjzs07 发表于 2025-5-15 19:55

如果同时放弃集体诉讼和个人诉讼,那岂不无敌?

ajsh 发表于 2025-5-15 20:08

欧盟任天堂没那么多霸道协议,当然代价是80欧元游戏咯

karastar 发表于 2025-5-15 20:14

ajsh 发表于 2025-5-15 20:08
欧盟任天堂没那么多霸道协议,当然代价是80欧元游戏咯

欧洲游戏价格一直都贵吧,我看价格都是美元+10=欧元价格

何处可分 发表于 2025-5-15 20:37

傻逼标题+傻逼人

cscnake 发表于 2025-5-15 21:18

本帖最后由 cscnake 于 2025-5-15 21:50 编辑

LZ说的真好! 万恶的北美任天堂居然如此对付美国消费者!!哼,优质企业索尼美国肯定不会这么对付它的玩家的!来看看2018年SIE app的EULA和PSN的EULA、PS5的SSLA吧!

SIE app用户协议(https://www.playstation.com/en-u ... -license-agreement/):

ANY DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROCEEDINGS, WHETHER IN ARBITRATION OR COURT, WILL BE CONDUCTED ONLY ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS AND NOT IN A CLASS OR REPRESENTATIVE ACTION OR AS A NAMED OR UNNAMED MEMBER IN A CLASS, CONSOLIDATED, REPRESENTATIVE OR PRIVATE ATTORNEY GENERAL ACTION, UNLESS BOTH YOU AND THE ADVERSE SONY ENTITY SPECIFICALLY AGREE TO DO SO IN WRITING FOLLOWING INITIATION OF THE ARBITRATION.
IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO BE BOUND BY THE BINDING ARBITRATION AND CLASS ACTION WAIVER IN THIS SECTION 9, YOU MUST NOTIFY SIE IN WRITING WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE DATE THAT YOU ACCEPT THIS AGREEMENT.YOUR WRITTEN NOTIFICATION MUST BE MAILED TO SONY INTERACTIVE ENTERTAINMENT INC. CARE OF SONY INTERACTIVE ENTERTAINMENT LLC, 2207 BRIDGEPOINTE PARKWAY, SAN MATEO, CA 94404, ATTN: LEGAL DEPARTMENT - WAIVER AND MUST INCLUDE: (I) YOUR NAME, (II) YOUR ADDRESS, (III) YOUR SIGN-IN ID, IF YOU HAVE ONE, AND (IV) A CLEAR STATEMENT THAT YOU DO NOT WISH TO RESOLVE DISPUTES WITH ANY SONY ENTITY THROUGH ARBITRATION.
PSN用户协议(https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/psn-terms-of-service/):

14.5.Class Action Waiver. YOU AND THE SONY ENTITY WITH WHICH YOU HAVE A DISPUTE AGREE THAT ARBITRATION WILL BE CONDUCTED ONLY ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS AND NOT IN A CLASS OR REPRESENTATIVE ACTION OR AS A NAMED OR UNNAMED MEMBER IN A CLASS, CONSOLIDATED, REPRESENTATIVE OR PRIVATE ATTORNEY GENERAL ACTION, UNLESS BOTH YOU AND THE SONY ENTITY WITH WHICH YOU HAVE A DISPUTE SPECIFICALLY AGREE TO DO SO IN WRITING FOLLOWING INITIATION OF THE ARBITRATION. IF APPLICABLE LAW PRECLUDES ENFORCEMENT OF THE LIMITATION IS THIS PARAGRAPH AS TO A PARTICULAR REMEDY, THEN A CLAIM SEEKING THAT REMEDY (AND ONLY THAT REMEDY) MUST BE SEVERED FROM THE ARBITRATION AND BROUGHT IN COURT.THIS PROVISION DOES NOT PRECLUDE YOUR PARTICIPATION AS A MEMBER IN A CLASS ACTION FILED ON OR BEFORE AUGUST 20, 2011.

14.3. Opt-Out Right. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO OPT OUT OF BINDING ARBITRATION AND CLASS ACTION WAIVER WITHIN 30 DAYS. IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO BE BOUND BY THE BINDING ARBITRATION AND CLASS ACTION WAIVER IN THIS SECTION, YOU MUST NOTIFY US IN WRITING WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE DATE THAT YOU ACCEPT THIS AGREEMENT UNLESS A LONGER PERIOD IS REQUIRED BY APPLICABLE LAW. YOUR WRITTEN NOTIFICATION MUST BE MAILED TO 6080 CENTER DRIVE, 10TH FLOOR, LOS ANGELES, CA 90045, ATTN: LEGAL DEPARTMENT/ARBITRATION AND MUST INCLUDE: (1) YOUR NAME, (2) YOUR ADDRESS, (3) YOUR PSN SERVICES ONLINE ID, IF YOU HAVE ONE, AND (4) A CLEAR STATEMENT THAT YOU DO NOT WISH TO RESOLVE DISPUTES WITH ANY SONY ENTITY THROUGH ARBITRATION.
PS5协议(https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/ps5-ssla/):

ANY DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROCEEDINGS, WHETHER IN ARBITRATION OR COURT, WILL BE CONDUCTED ONLY ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS AND NOT IN A CLASS OR REPRESENTATIVE ACTION OR AS A NAMED OR UNNAMED MEMBER IN A CLASS, CONSOLIDATED, REPRESENTATIVE OR PRIVATE ATTORNEY GENERAL ACTION, UNLESS BOTH YOU AND THE ADVERSE SONY ENTITY SPECIFICALLY AGREE TO DO SO IN WRITING FOLLOWING INITIATION OF THE ARBITRATION.


IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO BE BOUND BY THE BINDING ARBITRATION AND CLASS ACTION WAIVER IN THIS SECTION 8, YOU MUST NOTIFY SIE INC IN WRITING WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE DATE THAT YOU ACCEPT THIS AGREEMENT. YOUR WRITTEN NOTIFICATION MUST BE MAILED TO SONY INTERACTIVE ENTERTAINMENT INC. CARE OF SONY INTERACTIVE ENTERTAINMENT LLC, 2207 BRIDGEPOINTE PARKWAY, SAN MATEO, CA 94404, ATTN: LEGAL DEPARTMENT – WAIVER AND MUST INCLUDE: (1) YOUR NAME, (2) YOUR ADDRESS, (3) YOUR SIGN-IN ID, IF YOU HAVE ONE, AND (4) A CLEAR STATEMENT THAT YOU DO NOT WISH TO RESOLVE DISPUTES WITH ANY SONY ENTITY THROUGH ARBITRATION.



看,多好啊,索尼美国虽然早就写了Class Action Waiver,但是它给了30天时间让你能在同意协议之后反悔,只要写封书面通知给它就行了!完美!

cscnake 发表于 2025-5-15 21:57

啊,对了,关于针对违反协议的处理这事儿,PS5的SSLA里是这么写的:

If SIE Inc determines that you have violated this Agreement's terms, SIE Inc may itself or may procure the taking of any action to protect its interests such as disabling access to or use of some or all System Software, disabling use of this PS5 system online or offline, termination of your access to PlayStation™Network, denial of any warranty, repair or other services provided for your PS5 system, implementation of automatic or mandatory updates or devices intended to discontinue unauthorized use, or reliance on any other remedial efforts as reasonably necessary to prevent the use of modified or unpermitted use of System Software.


这“such as disabling access to or use of some or all System Software, disabling use of this PS5 system online or offline, termination of your access to PlayStation™Network”,看起来好像跟变砖有点像哦!

至于收集和使用隐私信息,SIE的privacy policy在这里:https://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/privacy-policy/
感兴趣的自己看吧,反正我对索尼有信心!!

pgain2004 发表于 2025-5-15 22:20

cscnake 发表于 2025-5-15 21:57
啊,对了,关于针对违反协议的处理这事儿,PS5的SSLA里是这么写的:



你是想说索尼的条款更恶心,所以……?

cscnake 发表于 2025-5-15 22:39

pgain2004 发表于 2025-5-15 22:20
你是想说索尼的条款更恶心,所以……?

没有没有,索任这两都不是好鸟,没必要踩一个拉一个。索尼2018年的协议里就这么写了,任天堂也不学好!(不知道微软的协议是怎么样的?)

话说这帖子tag不该是怀旧,应该是[青黑无脑不要游戏只求一战]

hisousihou 发表于 2025-5-15 22:41

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pgain2004 发表于 2025-5-15 22:20
你是想说索尼的条款更恶心,所以……?
所以一件事情只挑一个侧面讲那就是sblz带节奏的意思吗

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pgain2004 发表于 2025-5-15 22:59

hisousihou 发表于 2025-5-15 22:41
所以一件事情只挑一个侧面讲那就是sblz带节奏

—— 来自 HUAWEI DBY-W09, Android 12, 鹅球 v3.4.98 ...

……因为这是5月份才更新的啊,新事件啊

根据楼上提供的协议内容,我完全赞同索尼在这方面更恶心,但他完全可以直接这么说并展示,又不是什么需要阴阳怪气才能让人认同的事

cscnake 发表于 2025-6-20 21:12

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pgain2004 发表于 2025-5-15 22:59
……因为这是5月份才更新的啊,新事件啊

根据楼上提供的协议内容,我完全赞同索尼在这方面更恶心,但他 ...
抱歉上个月的帖子我又顶起来了..因为这个阴湿索尼的战帖:https://stage1st.com/2b/forum.ph ... 253760&pid=67973574

你可能逛水区和游戏区的时候没注意,lz他很会阴阳怪气和反串的。我其实跟lz的共同立场挺多的,所以经常能在水区跟游戏区看到他的回帖,比如下面这个NS2楼里面他回的:https://stage1st.com/2b/forum.ph ... 250993&pid=67737813


再比如这个抱怨tesla的帖子里他发的:https://stage1st.com/2b/forum.ph ... 249415&pid=67623650


因为知道这些,所以我看到他发了这样一个任天堂更新协议的“新闻”却打上了“怀旧”的标签,就知道他是要阴阳怪气跟引战了(其他的新闻帖子他会好好标“新闻”或“其他”tag的),他在那个阴湿索尼帖子对我的回帖也承认了这点。所以当时我第一反应就是也阴阳怪气来回他...但的确给你这样的路人的观感不好,抱歉了!

不过我真的跟lz的共同立场挺多的,比如我们都是小粉红,都是(或曾是)任天堂游戏玩家,都是MH系列老玩家,都是Steam/PC玩家,都是(或曾是)苹果用户但是觉得现在苹果的产品跟竞争对手(比如微软)相比已经不是很领先了,都使用(或使用过)Linux DE来作为个人PC的系统(甚至还都是Arch Linux),甚至我觉得我们都很讨厌极端的主机/品牌粉...但是好笑的是,因为他这个阴阳怪气帖我以为他是引战的极端索尼粉丝,所以阴阳怪气回了他,又因为我的回帖他把我当成极端的任天堂粉丝,还在别的帖子里“展示”了出来,哈哈 \o/

还好这里是华语第三,不缺争论、引战、阴阳怪气,只要能同时尽量有理有据、实事求是、不人身攻击或开盒,我觉得也没啥问题。就请你还有大家一笑置之吧!



游蜓 发表于 2025-6-20 22:12

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风怒

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游蜓 发表于 2025-6-20 22:13

cscnake 发表于 2025-6-20 21:12
抱歉上个月的帖子我又顶起来了..因为这个阴湿索尼的战帖:https://stage1st.com/2b/forum.ph ... 253760&p ...

你真爱他啊

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cot90 发表于 2025-6-20 22:15

两个神人,对上眼了属于是

pgain2004 发表于 2025-6-20 22:49

cscnake 发表于 2025-6-20 21:12
抱歉上个月的帖子我又顶起来了..因为这个阴湿索尼的战帖:https://stage1st.com/2b/forum.ph ... 253760&p ...

如果只是纯信息帖,那么单就标签或者标题里一两个歪词,其实没啥。我只是觉得:
“优质企业索尼美国肯定不会这么对付它的玩家的” ← 看起来更像是坐任天堂股东那桌
“7年之后,老任终究也来到了这一席上” ← 尽管爱任天堂但终究是玩家

难得发散一下,所以虽然老任在电游领域仍然是我心中世界第一(当然画风题材上更爱FS),诸如PalWorld相关诉讼个人还是(从商业角度)理解而反感的,但这毕竟是偏任坛,也就懒得费神参与口水仗了。
都是忙里偷闲,有这时间多通几款乃至多云几作都好啊,现在各类型的好游戏真的很多很多……至于游戏资讯访谈视频啥的,更多是用来免于滑向短视频深渊,保持一定听读强度了。

cscnake 发表于 2025-6-20 23:33

pgain2004 发表于 2025-6-20 22:49
如果只是纯信息帖,那么单就标签或者标题里一两个歪词,其实没啥。我只是觉得:
“优质企业索尼美国肯定 ...

完全同意!我现在也觉得自己太闲得蛋疼。。。有这时间我应该用来把歌味觉死的更新的跑团视频看完。。
以后不这么干了
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