3DM全球首破Denuvo加密，引发国外玩家讨论
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Report – Denuvo DRM System Has Been Cracked
快报 - Denuvo 加密系统已被破解
3DM has reported that it’s been able to crack the latest DRM system, Denuvo, that was used in FIFA 15, Lords of the Fallen and Dragon Age: Inquisition.
据称3DM已经破解了最新的加密系统（Denuvo）。包括已使用其加密的FIFA 15,堕落之王和龙腾世纪-审判。
Denuvo has been a great DRM system as it was able to protect FIFA 15 for two months and Lords of the Fallen for one whole month.
Denuvo一直是个伟大的加密系统，它能够保护了FIFA 15 两个月和堕落之王一个多月不被攻破。
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And since Dragon Age: Inquisition – Bioware’s highly anticipated RPG – has been released with this DRM, this particular scene group a Chinese team decided to prove that everything can – eventually – be ‘unlocked.’
之后，龙腾世纪：审判也公布使用了这款加密，然而这个来自中国的破解小组决定证明，一切加密“最后”都将被彻底的破解。
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如往常一样，我们禁止任何破解链接，所以你如果试图发布这些链接，那么你的评论将会被无理由删除。
Denuvo reminded us of Starforce; another DRM system that took crackers a while to crack.
Denuvo让我们想起之前的Starforce，另一款让破解者大费功夫的加密系统。
Some users also claimed that Denuvo was responsible for damaging their SSDs, while others claimed that Lords of the Fallen’s performance issues were due to this particular DRM system.
也有一些玩家声称，Denuvo会对他们的固态硬盘造成损伤，而另外一些玩家则声称，堕落之王的性能问题就是出自于这个加密系统。
Before closing, we should note that the Chinese team has cracked the DRM system only. This does not mean that there is any working crack at the moment, however it opens up the road for ones.
最后，我们提醒一下，那个中国团队只是破解这个加密系统而已。并不意味着现在游戏已经可以完美运行了，但是他们确实另辟蹊径。
It will be interesting to see what the team responsible for this DRM will do about this whole thing, and whether it will further enhance or tweak it in order to counter-attack the attempts of the scene groups.
让我们很感兴趣的是，负责这个加密系统的团队会对此事作出什么反应。是对加密系统进行调整还是进一步加强，从而反击破解小组的企图。
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Let's take inventory. Has Denuvo really been a great system as said above?
让我们列个清单，看看Denuvo是否真的如文中所说的是个伟大的加密系统？
- FIFA 15 releases uncrackable, protected from pirates. It sells about the same as FIFA 14 though. Where is the dramatic spike in sales from all the previously "lost sales" that should now be coming in? Somebody tell me, where are they?
- FIFA 15 发售时未被破解，从而免于盗版。但它的销量也只是和FIFA14差不多。哪来的扯蛋销量巅峰，那些所谓因盗版而“流失销量”在哪，谁告诉我？
- Lords of the Fallen releases uncrackable. With no pirates to decrease the sales, surely this must score much higher than other games which are pirated to heII and back, right? FIFA fans might just all be so loyal they've always been buying the game. But no such luck. Isn't it like 10 pirates to every 1 sold copy on PC? Wasn't that what Crytek said? WHY DOESN'T THIS SELL 10 TIMES AS MUCH AS OTHER GAMES THEN??! I just don't understand. Why aren't we seeing these "lost sales" not being lost **e? Where's the incredible profit after shutting down the filthy pirates?
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堕落之王发售时未被破解，没有盗版影响其销量，那肯定要比其他被盗版的游戏更能挽回销量对吧？可能你会说FIFA的粉丝都比较忠实，会去买游戏，但你就没这运气。如果就像Crytek所说的，PC每卖一个游戏就有十个是个盗版？那为什么你卖的游戏不是其他游戏的十倍多？？我只是不明白，为什么我们看到那些“流失的销量”还是被流失了，那些没有盗版的惊人销量又去哪了？
- Dragon Age Inquisition releases uncrackable. Despite no pirates hurting this, it sells about as expected. It doesn't even manage to top the charts anywhere though. Games that have cracks out for them and are being pirated are still outselling this one. How on earth is this possible?
- 龙腾世纪审判发售时未被破解，没遭遇盗版损害，但它销量也就预期水平，甚至还排上各地的榜首。而那些被破解和盗版的游戏销量还比它高。这科学吗？
- Denuvo is said to introduce severe performance problems. Now that is regrettable but I guess that is something paying customers just have to live with, to have the satisfaction of knowing that no filthy pirates are playing the game which they paid for.
- Denuvo据说会造成严重的性能问题，遗憾的是我估计现在付费玩家不得不忍受这个问题，不过至少他们满意付钱玩的游戏没有恶心的盗版。
- Denuvo is said to wear out SSD much faster than regular use programs. Well, if this proves to be true, at least the developers have all that sweet dough they made from not losing so many sales to pirates. They're gonna need it to deal with all the incoming lawsuits.
- Denuvo据说会比常用程序更快磨损固态硬盘，好吧，如果这被证明是真的，没关系，开发商已经尝到没有盗版会流失销量的甜头，他们只需处理好法院的传票就行。
Okay, enough with the jokes. I'm ultimately glad this thing came around because it finally dispelled this narrative we've been hearing all these years about lost sales. This idiotic lie that if only the option of piracy is removed, suddenly they would see much higher numbers of sold units. Well, thank you Denuvo for finally proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that, this tale is simply not true.
好吧，玩笑开够了，最后我还是很高兴听到这事，因为这么多年来我们听腻了有关流失销售的论调。如果没有了盗版，一下子他们就看到了更高的收入，这个愚蠢的谎言。好的，谢谢你Denuvo，最终你毫无疑问的证明了这点，这是扯淡。
But why isn't it the case? I think the answer is pretty obvious but I'll break down what I believe is the reason by typecasting the different kinds of pirates and pirate/consumer hybrids.
但是，为什么是这结果？我觉得答案显而易见，但是我想通过扮演不同的盗版消费群体来分析原因。
1. Poor Pirate
Pirates everything, simply doesn't have the money to be buying games, often times lives in a not so well off country, probably unemployed and barely scraping by. Can't spend money he doesn't have on uncrackable games.
1. 穷玩家
盗版就是一切，仅仅就是因为没有钱买游戏，通常是在不富裕的国家，也许是失业或者只能勉强糊口，对正版游戏预算不够。
2. Punishing Pirate
Pirates to punish publishers and developers he holds a grudge against. This person only buys games from people he wants to support. They somewhat irrationally will still play and enjoy c**ain games from devs or publishers they hate but they won't give them money for this. EA is a popular target of this practice.
2. 怨念玩家
玩盗版只是看不爽开发商和发行商。这类人只买自己支持的游戏，这些人有些无耻，他们也许会享受这个游戏，但是不会为开发商和发行商花一分钱。EA就是这些人的主要目标。
3. Testing Pirate
Pirates everything first, then buys it if he likes it. This person isn't actually a pirate, they just don't accept that there aren't any demos **e so they use piracy to demo games to evaluate if the game is worth it. Won't spend money on an uncrackable game before testing it at a friends or lending it.
3.试玩玩家
先试玩了再说，如果喜欢了在买。这个不算是真正的盗版消费者，他们只是不能接受没有任何试玩的游戏，所以他们先用盗版看看是否值得购买。在试玩过盗版或朋友借来游戏试玩前，是不会发钱去买的。
People will generally buy what they like when they can. DRM has no influence on that. Even if every game out there came with uncrackable DRM forever. I sincerely doubt that there would be significantly more sales. On the contrary, sales might actually go down. It would probably be great for lending services though because they would suddenly be really popular again.
人们一般只是买自己喜欢的东西，DRM对其影响不了，即使以后发售的每个游戏都用不可破解的加密系统，我也相当怀疑他会有更高的销量。相反，不用销量就会降低，说不定因为大受欢迎而拥有一个巨大的租赁市场。
1+3=Bingo. You got it tight on spot.Someone should publish it in some magazine to crush those pesky pirate haters.
1和3中枪，你说到点子上了，得有人把你的文章发表在杂志上来打那些虚伪卫道者的脸。
Thanks for the kind words. I wasn't sure if typing all that would be worth the time.
感谢美言，我不太确定这时候发表这些意见是否有意义。
I feel like I'm going to downvote you so I can upvote you twice ;)
我真想给你两次点赞。
It was worth the time! I've read everything and I 100% agree with you.
It's good to know that there are still intelligent people like you on the internet, I just wish more people would understand what you wrote and do something about it.
你说的很有意义，我完全同意你的评论。网上至少还有你种明白人，我希望更多的人会理解你所说的一切。
Not "more people", just the developers, publishers and such video game industry sections that should hear the voice of people and understand the reasons of piracy, cause they probably think that we are just greedy, we want to save our money for something else, so I'm saving by pirating games which I can afford anyway at any time. Not to mention how greedy is EA.
业界应该听听人们用盗版的理由。因为他们大概会认为我们仅仅是贪婪，我们只是想存点钱干点其他事，所以我为了省钱只好去用盗版，更何况用的是EA的盗版。
the true is that the companys cant fight pirates... but this companys are the worst...
they lie customers, BUT they cant lie about numbers.... the numbers you posted here. about sells and eveything. and we are talking about aaa tittles.
100% with you.
事实是，游戏公司根本打击不了盗版，但是这个公司更恶心。
他们欺骗了玩家，但是他们欺骗不了数据，你在这发布的关于销售和其他的数据，还有我们这些讨论。
100%挺你。
The truth is ALWAYS worth the time. ;)
真相总是有价值的。
On internet it usually isn't :p But you're still 100% right pretty much.
互联网不总是对的 :P 但你100%正确不能更多。
Never fully read a comment but yours. Keep it up!
我通常不会看完评论，你的例外。继续！
but you understand that FIFA is a sports game?
it is logical that it is sold as bread, then bought super console, and I think it's difficult to crack.
Dragon age does not sell s**t. I'm staying in the shelves (at least here in Italy).
I know friends who are eager to crack but my other friends disappointed to have spent on that game. Why?
但是你知道FIFA是体育游戏吗？
他卖的像白菜一样是符合逻辑，所以之后他们就买了一个超级难破的加密。
还有龙腾世纪卖的并不差（至少在意大利），因为我现在就货架旁。
最后我不明白那些渴望破解的朋友干嘛老打击已经花钱买了游戏的人？
Sr, your post deserves a prize. I've always thought that the only thing that a company achieves using DRM is to annoy their real customers. The number of people that would be willing to pay for a game for the sole reason it cannot be pirated is almost non existent. the pirate that don't want or can't pay for a game will play something else if such game cannot be pirated. Witcher 3 will show the world that DRM free games can sell far better than games with intrusive DRM
老兄，你的评论应该拿个奖。我一直认为那些加密程序仅仅是让他们真正的客户不爽。有多少人是因为这个游戏没有盗版才它的。如果一个游戏不能破解，玩家们不愿买或者没钱买，他们就会去玩别的。巫师3将证明就算没有加密 也能比那些用了烦人加密的游戏卖的更多。
Just look at sony.
Ps3 was pirate free for many years, they fought it and fought it and tried to keep it that way but ironicly that didnt do anything.
Yoshida has said only 4/10 sony exlusives sell.
I am sure thats not because of piracy but simply people not buying those games, if the pc piracy argument was true and x360 being hackable, ps3 would have super high sales......but they didnt.
就看看SONY
PS3已经破解了好多年，人们整天的黑它喷它。
但吉田修平表示卖出去的独占游戏也只占了4/10左右。
所以我很确定，不是因为有盗版，人们就不买这个游戏了。如果PC盗版的论点是对的，那么当年XBOX360被破解时，PS3游戏销量应该爆表了才对。。。但它没有。
funny thing is that Denuvo is sony's doing
有趣的是Denuvo就是SONY做的。
i know that. I wonder if it will save ps4.
是的，我只想知道那东西是否能拯救PS4
I'm the 1st type sadly...
After I pay all my bills I'm left with what would be about $200 to live with for the rest of the month.
I can't just give almost half of it for 1 game...
If I don't pirate the game, i can't play it. Simple as that. So is it really so bad that I do it? If I didn't, the companies still wouldn't get any money, so they are not actually losing anything. At least when I pirate, I can tell my friends who can afford to buy the game that it is good, and that they should get it.
悲剧的是，我正好就是第一类型。
当我付完了所有的账单，大概还剩下200美刀左右，还要熬过这个月剩下的这么多天。。。（才3号。。。）
我不能为了一个游戏花了将近一半的钱。。
如果没有盗版游戏，我就玩不了，就这么简单。所以我这样做就很坏吗。就算我不用盗版，游戏公司也赚不到一毛钱，所以对他们来说也不是什么损失。
不过至少我用盗版的时候，我会提醒朋友们，如果买的起正版还是去买的好。
Was living in the same situation for a long time. Always bought games on sales. It usually cost you 5-10 bucks for 3-4 good games in bundle. Not so much I think
我长时间面临着和你同样的处境。总想着买促销游戏，就是那种花5-10美刀就能买到3-4个捆绑的好游戏，不过我想估计没这好事。。
I live in Africa, here, we can't buy anything online (At least in my contry)
I'd like to buy legit copies but publisher don't bother to ship their games here!
So what ? because I had the bad luck to be born in a third world country I can't enjoy games ?
Hell, they don't even list my country in their website, so as long as I have no choice i'll pirate video games
我在非洲，在这，都没法网上购物（至少我们国家就不行）
我倒是想买正版啊，但是出版商根本就没打算在这卖！！
所以说？就因为我倒霉活在**？我就不能玩游戏了？
他妹的，他们甚至都不在网站上列出我的国家。所以，我没得选，只能玩盗版了。
Videogames are not an entitlement. And let's be honest if the game was for sale there you'd pirate it anyway.
电子游戏并非是 一种权利，老实说吧，一个游戏上市了，你是不是到处找他的盗版？
Funny how people will rationalize theft with any "poor me" excuse.
搞笑，人们老是把“我很穷”当作理所当然的借口。
Well if he has no intention at all of purchasing it then no sale was ever lost? I don't think you just understand you proved his point :|
好吧，他没有意识到如果你根本就不打算买这游戏，那损失就无从说起。我认为你不理解他的观点。
If the piracy is theft then tell me how can I return that all stolen games to its owners.
如果用盗版就是贼，那你告诉我，我怎么把偷来的游戏还给你。
My steam library is worth about $2000, but I can honestly say I've only spent about $300-400.
我STEAM收藏的游戏大概值得2000刀，不过老实说，我大概就才花了300-400刀。。
Well, you weren't bullshitting if this is your account. $375 for $1466. Well played. (paid*?)
好吧，如果你不是在吹牛，花了375刀就买到了1466刀的游戏。干（付）得好。
lol 515 hours. I have 1900+ hours from TF2 alone :3
哈哈515个小时，我在TF2上已经花了1900+个小时了 :3
TF2 = Dead game xD
TF2= 撸到死 XD
It's funny to see people from NA/Europe protesting about game prices. Here in Brazil, the minimum wage is R$600, in our currency. A PS4 is something like R$4000, a XOne is like R$2000 and a good PC is around R$5000. Besides that, a single game costs R$200 when it releases (on steam, where it is the cheapest). So, if you consider the basic costs of living, includig food and bills, and considering you HAVE a home, so you don't pay rental, with a minimum wage you can't even buy a game. Just to know, the value of the minimum wage is just symbolic, cause you lose around R$50-80 in taxes before you receive your wage.
看到欧美的人们都在抗议游戏价格让人感到很有趣，在巴西，最低工资是600美刀，以我们的消费水平来看，一台PS4就像你们要4000美刀这样。而配置好点的PC则要5000刀。此外，一个游戏发行时卖200刀（STEAM最便宜的）。所以，如果你的考虑生活的基本成本，包括食物和账单，还要顾及你的家庭，就算你不用付房租，用你那点最低工资，连一个游戏都买不起。
所以你要知道，最低工资的价值是相对性的。对于你们就像拿到工资前扣了点税一样。
EU has countries with s**t life. I know cause I'm in one. Here one game costs 1/3 of the minimum wage too and we already pay 1/3 of it for electricity (one of the most expensive in whole EU even though we have one of the shi**iest life standards cause f' logic).
欧盟国家的生活就像翔一样，因为我就是其中一员。一个游戏要花近1/3的最低工资，然后还要付1/3工资交电费（一项全欧盟最贵的生活成本尽管我们有狗屁的生活标准和逻辑）
You aren't alone man, I make like ~800/month. I have to wait for steam sales to drop the price to $5 or lower before I can buy games :/
你并不是一个人老兄，我每个月大概才赚500刀，我不得不等到STEAM的游戏降到5刀或更低才会考虑买一个。 ：/
I make about $550/month from which i pay my bills with about $400 and then need from $50-100 for food and etc. Still i have steam account with 975 games that are worth about 9500
我把我每个月赚到550美刀付去400刀左右的账单，还要花50-100刀左右的钱去买食物和其他什么鬼的。但我的STEAM帐号上仍有差不多超过9500欧元的975个游戏（是欧元，我在欧元区二级市），但是我的实际花费还不到1000欧。绝大多数的游戏都是捆绑的或者是超大折扣才买的。（就在3天前，我才花了30美刀就买到了魔多阴影的限量版）
我的工资虽然不高，但是我没有任何借口因为这个而不去买游戏。即使实际上我买的只是自己喜欢的游戏。
不要为自己用盗版而找借口，没人在乎。如果你认为需要找理由，那也只说明你个人认为是错的。
Why can't he give his reason, it's not up to you to tell others what to say circumstances are never that simple sir.
为什么就不能找理由，不用你告诉别人该怎么说，老兄，实际情况远比这复杂。
That was not an order, just a friendly advice of an, i suppose, older (40 years old here) person.
我不是在要求，我只想提一个友好的建议。一个大叔（40岁了）
Ha with old age comes an authoritative tone, maybe I took it the wrong way.
哈，一个大叔的权威口气，噢，也许我理解错了。
Bullshit. Playing a videogame is not an entitlement. Nor is it essential to survival. You act like pirating because you're Loser with a crap job is no different than people that have to steal food to survive. You don't HAVE to play videogames to survive. That's the difference.
扯淡，电子游戏不是天赋人权，也不是生存必须。你用盗版是因为你就一垃圾职业的LOSER，和那些偷东西吃的人没什么区别。唯一的不同是，你不会因为玩不到游戏而挂掉。
I'm really sorry for you if you just want to "survive".
如果你只是为了“生存”，我真替你感到难过。
First and foremost . There are things called hobbies in this world . Is playing a guitar essential for your survival ? Offcourse not . People like to play games . And i think that you are not aware that there are some countries in world that didn't get good billing systems for buying a video game . There are also countries where some games (Dragon age Inquisition, in this case) are prohibited (India , in this case). So there is no legal way to buy a game there . The only way to play DAI in India is to get it by means of piracy .
首先，这世界上有种东西叫业余爱好，弹吉他是你生存必须吗？当然不是。人们喜欢打游戏，还有我认为你并没有意识到这个世界的很多国家没有好的途径去买游戏。还有就是在一个国家有些游戏是被禁止的（在印度，龙腾世纪审判就是这样）。所以在那里没有一个合法的途径去购买游戏，所以如果想玩龙腾世纪审判唯一办法的就是玩盗版。
If you were in a private beach, and you found a beautiful seashell that you really liked, would you take it? Even though it wasn't your beach? Would the owner go bankrupt if you took it? Is anyone gonna even notice? Only you would know, and no one lost anything.
I posted my reasons for pirating so that people would know that pirating, as many things in life, is not just black and white.
Does it really matter if I pirate a game or not? There are no losers here. The company didn't lose anything because of me, and I got to play a game I couldn't afford.
如果你在一个私人海滩，你发现了一个漂亮的海贝，你会拿走吗？即使那不是你的沙滩？如果你拿走了是不是沙滩的主人就破产了？还是有人特意是注意到你的举动？只有你自己知道，这根本就没什么损失。
我把我的理由发出来，这样人们就知道我为什么用盗版了。就像生活的很多事，并非就是非黑即白。
我用不用盗版是否真的那么重要吗？根本就没有输家，游戏公司不会因为我就失去任何东西。
我要开始玩我买不起的游戏了。
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daed geam怎么就变成撸到死了 发了二十个相关帖后，整个S1还是没人拿到破解补丁 好肠噢，求10字总结 天天发消息，反正补丁就是没发出来，这TM就是3DM一直以来管用的伎俩
另外，居然有人支持Starforce加密系统？ 那玩意垃圾的不能再垃圾了，你试试现在用win7玩一个Starforce加密的正版游戏？ 根本玩不了！！！ 李尹克 发表于 2014-12-8 09:27
好肠噢，求10字总结
穷玩盗版，防盗救不了销量 dragon age:TRIAL到底是什么游戏…… lz自己翻译的?很多小错误 bentusi 发表于 2014-12-8 10:10
lz自己翻译的?很多小错误
怎么可能是我，楼上翻译ID明显不是我 那么，这个破解补丁到底存不存在呢 3DM的不一致都是薛定谔的汉化和薛定谔的破解补丁么.
到时候放个下载链接然后防火墙一开,说是下载量太大导致宕机什么的就行啦,
"我们破解了啊,但是你们要等段时间才下得到",再找些自己人开帖子说已经开撸了,就可以慢慢等外国破解组的成果了嘛.
当年哪个游戏的汉化来着都用出这招大招了,这次破解抄的那么大,不可能不交大技的 这次破解补丁要上传硬件信息，估计是因为加密和硬件有关
猜想
一 这个破解无法泛用，其他游戏很可能要重新破解
二 硬件不在破解的数据库的电脑不能玩 龙腾在三大码导航条上挂半个月了吧 中国的问题不是穷玩盗版，而是不管有钱没钱，不为知识产权付费已经成了刻入骨髓的习惯，知识产权在大众的心中就是个价值为0的东西。月收入好几万却舍不得花50块买游戏的人不要太多，这一点是老外永远理解不了的 单机游戏老抱着骗一个是一个的心态肯定是搞不下去的，反正是要联网，有本事搞点卡，月卡收费啊，估计好多游戏连盗版碟的5块钱都骗不来 Afkplayer 发表于 2014-12-8 12:01
单机游戏老抱着骗一个是一个的心态肯定是搞不下去的，反正是要联网，有本事搞点卡，月卡收费啊，估计好多游 ...
你这是什么逻辑 李尹克 发表于 2014-12-8 12:56
你这是什么逻辑
大概在说国产XX剑们…… 本帖最后由 mimighost 于 2014-12-8 13:28 编辑
sunisover2000 发表于 2014-12-8 11:45
中国的问题不是穷玩盗版，而是不管有钱没钱，不为知识产权付费已经成了刻入骨髓的习惯，知识产权在大众的心 ...
我觉得也是，天潮现在出去吃顿饭都要100来块了，一个游戏也就3顿饭的钱。要是觉得不值可以不玩，死皮赖脸玩盗版还不准别人喷简直不能更无赖 有的人可以拿三百块出来去九寨沟玩两天，却不愿意拿三百块钱出来买一张可以玩一个月的正版游戏
听上去很现充很阳光的感觉啊 李尹克 发表于 2014-12-8 12:56
你这是什么逻辑
应该再说国产情怀 JudgmentEye 发表于 2014-12-8 13:23
身边每月手游页游氪金上千的同事没一个买正版游戏的
手游页游氪金可以虐人，正版联网没技术被人虐。 李尹克 发表于 2014-12-8 12:56
你这是什么逻辑
单机游戏不能搞点卡月卡收费吗？整天JJYY个盗版也不烦 伤硬盘？ 机械硬盘伤吗？ mimighost 发表于 2014-12-8 13:18
我觉得也是，天潮现在出去吃顿饭都要100来块了，一个游戏也就3顿饭的钱。要是觉得不值可以不玩，死皮赖脸 ...
噗，一顿饭100来块，一天三顿饭，一月30天，你家一个人一月伙食费万把块钱？
出去吃饭那又不是真吃顿饭，社交比游戏花钱有什么稀罕？ Anarkia 发表于 2014-12-8 13:23
有的人可以拿三百块出来去九寨沟玩两天，却不愿意拿三百块钱出来买一张可以玩一个月的正版游戏
听上去很现 ...
三百块的九寨沟带我一个 三百块九寨沟玩两天？喷了，键盘旅游家真是酸爽的不要不要 月收入550刀？这哪个国家？ 大部分游戏都是初动型销量，所以只要不是秒破，对销量的影响就很小了。当然，这和用盗版好不好是2码事嘛。 柔沢ジュウ 发表于 2014-12-8 14:12
噗，一顿饭100来块，一天三顿饭，一月30天，你家一个人一月伙食费万把块钱？
出去吃饭那又不是真吃顿饭， ...
出去腐败的价格啦
一个游戏也就约等于3次腐败的价格，能换来30-40个小时的游戏时间，其实已经算是超值了 我去3dm堕落之王那没看到有消息啊。依旧是等待破解 看了下大妈，龙腾那个破解居然还招人做测试，我便不信了
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